All these "Remain" people

Yeah but that's like me saying "my business is running out of money and I want someone to bail me out without question".

You have to make a case for being financed by others.

And let the decision as to whether you do get financed be a democratic one.

 

I would assume she already had made a case. Or do you think there was someone standing on a corner handing out free money?

 

Well that's your assumption.

Perhaps money isn't free after all.

 

surely it is. We have a free £350 million a week going into the NHS soon don't we?

 

Money money money.....

I find democracy, and in particular accountability, far more important.

 

pity the brexiteers didnt put that as a caveat underneath their slogan on the bus then.
As for democracy....we already have it. That's why we have elections every so often to elect governments who set our budgets, foreign policy, economic policy, home affairs policies etc etc.

 

we already showed em when it went from Blair to Brown

 

One of my clients has just frozen its pay review process. Another is in a consultation process on redundancies. We've lost our biggest client which was a collaboration across worldwide offices because of the country turning its back on the EU.

Just about every conversation i've had or heard in the last few weeks has been related to exit and the consequences and many small businesses in particular are very worried.

As i expected and tried to outline, uncertainty has taken hold and the economy in large parts is on pause. investment decisions arent being made, projects are being snowballed and thats likely to continue in the coming months.

Even more worryingly, there are greater signs of open racism and intolerance being expressed publicly.

This referendum has created a huge rift in the country and i wonder if it will truly be bridged this generation.

 

By Wednesday the person running this country will Theresa May.

Democracy you say?

Accountability?

Can you stop it, can you recall her?

 

I think you may find that Euro democracy, where very few vote for a Euro MP, whose name they struggle to remember, and whose policies nobody knows, has now been rejected.

Accountability is much better than democracy. Just me on this one, I know.

You're getting a form of democracy by voting in your local elections. You get more meaningful democracy in national elections. You get meaningless democracy in euro elections.

I want those accountable to be responsible for their decisions. Then they'd take more care and not be obsessed, as many are, about feathering their own nest.

Just cos you vote doesn't mean it is democracy that trumps owt else.

 

Ahhh! You gave yourself away there using a word like tranche. You've clearly gone native and become Frenchified. That will have to stop and you will have to replace tranche with "big lot" or similar.
And I apologise for diminishing your point with irony (bitter irony at that) but these leave lot make me so MAD! If I said what I really though I'd be banned. And now they're all falling back on "it'll be alright", "we've just got to make the best of it now" "we've got control back" soundbites. Makes my blood boil.

 

Absolutely correct

One of my business contacts works on the continent. Her research project was due to be transferred to the UK. Since the referendum result, the project is now being transferred to Boston and Delhi and the UK arm is being wound down completely.

That's around 100 jobs lost and another 50 that will no longer be created.

 

On flip side to this I read Boeing were investing in a new UK research venture today.

There will be a lot of things fall over in the next few years, a lot of pain, but hope all affected find new opportunities soon

 

So rather than work within the EU to improve accountability you'd rather risk the whole economy of our nation and pull out. So that a few, fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, rulings can be thrown out.
And you're suggesting that Euro politicians are just out to make a fast buck. Unlike so many of our own MPs or the myriad jobs for the boys positions thrown around in our own Quangos etc.
Again it's this soundbite "we've got control back". Well you're right. We now have total control.

 

Parliamentary democracy mate.

If you want a President, go to the USA.

Not that he has much power on his own btw.

If Mrs May leads a bad administration, you can vote her out in due course. Give her enough rope.

 

I'm confused, you could vote the Prime Minister out before the referendum vote aswell so what does voting leave have to do with democracy.

 

i'd have to agree with you to a point there. Our democratic system is badly flawed but all the alternatives are equally lacking. Proportional representation would make every vote count but would also allow extremist parties to have influence on policy making. UKIP for example.