Labour Party in Barnsley

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  1. Dub

    Dubai Tyke New Member

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    Should Corbyn win the leadership vote, which looks likely then surely the party faces an unsolvable problem, this being his shadow cabinet will mostly be composed of second and third choice people, some of which would logically not be able to fit the requirements for the job and therefore would be a disaster should Labour win the next general election. In addition as Corbyn would only hold a minority of MP support he could not expect support from his own parliamentary party. It becomes a party not only unsuitable to govern but incapable of doing so.
     
  2. Ors

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    The 'no confidence' MP's (180-200?) could not conceivably fall into line without looking foolish or untrustworthy or both. They would either have to split to form a new party or an alliance with others, or they would have to resign the Labour whip which would remove Corbyn as opposition leader and install the SNP as HM Opposition. If they sit tight they'll be de-delected by Corbyn/McDonnell's militant tendency.
     
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    I support Corbyn and don't fit into either of your 2 categories. Neither do other people I know that support Corbyn.
     
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    Militant tendency? What a load of tripe. We are just sick of acceptance of neo-liberalism as the only game in town.
     
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    Is "delected" a word? It has a nice sound to it.

    Stick a "de-" in front of it though and it sounds like the beginnings of a stammer.
     
  6. Ors

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    It is if you want to get elected. Otherwise you're a protest party.
     
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    Unfortunately it is from Blair to Brown to Cameron to May, true Conservatives want their party back from the Blairite/Clintonite globalists just like true socialists want Labour back.
     
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    Just over 120 people at Barnsley Momentum meeting last night
     
  9. ark

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    As someone of the left, who thinks we have to find a way through all this without arguing amongst ourselves, can I ask.... how do you see Labour getting elected? The centrist's make the point that Corbyn is unelectable, his views are unelectable, and we need a centre/centre-left leader to appeal to all. But that won't win an election. The numbers don't add up. Its a changed electoral picture since 1997 and crucially Scotland (for the foreseeable future) has gone. Labour need all the Scottish seats. Not one or two. Labour are also about to be further disadvantaged by the Tories electoral reform.

    There is only one way Labour can get back in to power, certainly in the short to medium term, and that is by forming a progressive alliance of the left, with the SNP, Plaid, Greens, Lib Dems. But the people most opposed (and oblivious) to this seem to be the centrists, the arch pragmatists who usually argue that you can't do anything without power. IMHO the PLP completely have their heads buried firmly in the sand and are ignoring the realities. And crucially the fact that parties of the left are elected on tickets of hope. The very thing a broad coalition could bring.

    My question to Smith and Corbyn would simply be are you prepared to build this progressive alliance, or will you retrench in to an inward looking Labour party who thinks it can somehow scrape in to power? And if the answer by both is the former then I would question which of the two would be most able to form this cross party alliance.
     
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    If enough people protest, as what happened in the Euro referendum, then the protest party will govern. People are getting sick and tired of the neo-liberalism approach as RedStar states. Its not just in the UK either, looking over the pond I wouldn't bet against Trump winning the presidency either.

    Politics is changing
     
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    What he said
     
  12. Gloria Stitts

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    But the Rotherham and Doncaster ones are even worse, even had the government take them over, fully or partially.

    Although I'm a Labour Party member I'd much rather have a Conservative council.
     
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    I had a friend many years ago who always voted Labour in the General Election but always Conservative for the local council. Why did he do this, he never explained.
     
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    The people of this area voted and decided that the don't want either labour or conservative

    They want the far far right that only really cares about the leafy suburbs, crazy but that been proved by the referendum
     
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    The reason Scotland has gone is because Labour moved too far to the right, Scottish voters are by and large community and socially left wing. They believe in society not the individual.

    Labour must move back to it's origins to recover that Scottish vote.

    Corbyn is not the left wing looney that the media make out - he's moderate left, a perfect fit to win back Scottish voters.
     
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    Not only that but standing on a shared platform with the Tories in Indy ref did untold damage and confirmed the suspicion lost had...just the same anyway...
     
  17. ark

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    I largely agree mate, which reinforces the point that I pose to centrists - without Scotland Labour can't win.

    Where I am less certain is Corbyn's ability (or any Labour politician) to bring back the Scottish vote in the foreseeable future. Nicola Sturgeon should not be underestimated and is an excellent political operator. Combined with Brexit, where the Scottish independence agenda is as high as ever, I can't see Labour making any inroads on an anti-austerity platform. And to be honest, what is the point in two parties arguing over the same anti-austerity policies?

    I genuinely think the only way to keep the union (and for Labour to win power) is for a Labour/SNP pact with further devolution and a shared commitment to PR.

    But a Labour party with any hint of Blairite politics will not win Scotland and therefore can not win a general election IMHO.
     
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    I fall under Rotherham council and am still seething that Cameron could replace a democratically elected council with a bunch of unelected commissioners. Don't get me wrong, the council should have been replaced, but through the democratic process not through government meddling.
     
  19. Dub

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    Good post ark, totally agree. The communists on here will not agree of course but these are the very people with their heads in the sand. A Corbyn Labour Party is unelectable, best he could do for the party is to step down as he is destroying any hope of a labour government in all our lifetimes.
     
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    These are MPs your writing about aren't they.?
    They have much to lose and as soon as the electorate vote Corbyn back in they will fall into line ( the vast majority ) they'll think twice when the members recall them to answer for their actions.
    Most of them are only going through this because of the bully boy tactics of a few high profile MPs and when they see them start to waver will jump back on the bandwagon.

    I see you've fallen into the trap of repeating media sound bites ie " protest party" " unelectable " etc etc.
    He has club Westminster (members of all parties ) the political media (all persuasions ) hammering to anyone who'll listen that his politics are too dangerous for us.
    Have you listened to or read any of his suggestions for policy? Because if you did read them as they are intended to appear by Corbyn you'll find they are only sensible policies what people have been suggesting at most anti austerity, corruption gatherings up and down the country.
    Most people who don't even know the true agenda he is setting but believe the Club Westminster or media lies because it either ties in with what they already think or they believe anything these ogres say.abd that's because they know if they can say it as often as they can between the mass airtime or print space they can command between them a lot of the great British public will start to think they must be right.
    Most don't even know the true content of his proposals but condemn them anyway.
    Democracy eh ,belongs to the controller's.
     

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