How can bfc justify charging top of the league prices

And yet missing one vital, vital piece of information. We fail to maximise commercial opportunities

 

Smaller gates
No play offs
No Wembley finals
No players sold for £1m or whatever you believe the fee to be
Paying a wage bill for a squad good enough to achieve automatic promotion while operating within SCMP

If we lost a million, how much must they have lost?

 

But you have no idea of the out goings they have

 

No it just deals with the facts

 

You are missing the point. I'm saying the fans shouldn't suffer for something they have zero control over.

 

I'd say we've pushed the boat out a bit with Moncur and Bradshaw, and I doubt we could have got Bradshaw had we not been promoted. However, no one can say we need to charge £30 to pay for free signings from Barnet, Dover and Torquay United.

 

So you think our outgoings are a lot more?

 

It's a business

You obviously think you could do better

 

Can't see how that's vital when you're arguing for increasing spend on players and facilities and lowering ticket prices.

Ian Leech is going to have to be amazing at his job if we're going to cover the loss in revenue and increase in costs mentioned above, then turn the club from a loss making business into a profit making business and then pay off the millions of debt owed to Patrick Cryne.

Or do you expect PC to continue to fund the club until he runs out of money?

 

I'm arguing for us to get more stock in to make more money. If we are making a loss every year why are we so happy to throw money away? Surely us losing money and fans constantly complaining about the same issues year on year would make them do something about it but we're still all waiting for that to happen.

 

I have stated in the past that I have issue with rising ticket prices whilst neglecting facilities, not so much a problem with increasing ticket prices and using that increase to improve facilities and to fund revenue making initiatives.

Unfortunately whoever somebody says to me 'a football club will always lose money' in response to me asking why we ignore potential revenue streams things will struggle to change.

 

No no no you naughty girl. You are arguing for them to spend money buying stock of shirts. How can we possibly afford a new player if we are buying shirts to sell?

 

That's a typical strawman argument that gets trotted out everytime someone comments on how bad off the pitch facilities are. No-one in this thread has said that we want us to spend more than we have done on players, the same as no-one has said that they should improve facilities AND lower the prices. The point of this thread is to say that if we are charging this amount then we should be able to expect better facilities OR they should lower the prices in keeping with the service they provide. No-one is arguing for both.

For example, if I went to an expensive restaurant I would want nice surroundings for the money I'm paying, if I go to the market cafes (do they still exist?) I'd happily accept a much lower standard and expect the cost to be considerably lower too. I'm happy with either of those scenarios, what I wouldn't be happy with is being charged restaurant prices as the market and I wouldn't expect market prices at the restaurant.

 

Exactly. I think it's very unfair to expect Hecko to be making calls and chasing stock deliveries when he should be out there clearing bird ****.

 

This excellent tweet proves you very wrong there SuperTyke, there's more tape measures than you can shake a stick at.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">August and <a href="https://twitter.com/bfc_official">@bfc_official</a> won't be restocking infant kits. Plenty of tape measures to inspire future fans though. <a href="https://t.co/Ia0ufKVLRt">pic.twitter.com/Ia0ufKVLRt</a></p>&mdash; Ash (@ollsar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ollsar/status/761823235549827072">6 August 2016</a></blockquote>
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Bet you feel silly now don't you?

(Seriously though, we've not even kicked off yet and not only have we ran out of infant kits but we won't be ordering any more when there's customers with cash ready to buy them).

 

Can I just say keep it up ST, yer constant moaning that is, I now walk into Oakwell and the tv`s are switched on, after years of banging on about them never being turned on, something so simple to accomplish has now been achieved. At no great cost either.

 

Hmmm. Man City and Barnsley. I may be wrong, but it seems to me like you're failing to differentiate between how much can be charged to broadcast an advert in the add break between the two halves of Coronation Street and how much less it is to get the same advert shown on Dave+1 at 4 in the morning. I really don't believe that companies will be queuing up to pay the sort of prices for screening advertisements that could cover the cost of such an installation within a year at Oakwell. To be honest, I doubt they would cover the running costs never mind the original outlay.

 

Of course that's the case Jay. Some of the people are completely detached from reality

 

There is no doubt that not having shirts to sell when the market place wants to buy them is poor, even if it is just certain sizes that have been sold out. However, just to get this in some sort of perspective, the re-stocking of the club shop is not something that will be discussed at board level. It is not something that falls under the remit of the chief coach. I would not even think that it is the responsibility of the Commercial Director, although his responsibilities will take him closer than most. I would presume that the responsibility is with the shop manager.

It is my guess that the club will make 100% profit on shirts, or that the shirts cost half as much as we sell them for, but out of that and other sales, the shop manager must pay the wages of himself and his staff. If there is stock left on the shelves at the end of the season, the cost of that stock is written off. I have written this explanation because, for many people, a shirt sold is 100% profit, 100% addition to club funds, 100% to be used to buy players, to fund their wages and to fund ground improvements. I have quoted from the club accounts because I felt that it was too easy for Supertyke create doubt by putting together a few well phrased questions that are not linked to fact or figures. Last season was great. I absolutely loved the run-in and our appearance at Wembley, but now the excitement is dying away, fans are quickly reverting back to the default position, which is that we want more for less. We want better players, we want a better ground with better facilities, we want to see our team winning and we want all that for lower prices through the gate. It is just not possible. Somebody somewhere has to pay for it all. We had a great season last season, but Mr Cryne effectively subsidised every supporter to the tune of over £100 (£1m / 10,000 fans). Would we have paid an extra £100 each to have been guaranteed a season like the last one? Well, I cannot answer for everyone, but speaking for myself, the answer would be yes. Unfortunately, an extra £1m is not going to guarantee us a good season this time. £1m in this league does not go very far, but I do think that we should stop moaning when someone else is willing to dig deep.

 

He was talking about the purchase and installation costs of Manchester city's board rather than the revenue generated from it. He got full quotations for a similar board to be purchased and installed at oak well and believe me it was far, far less than that which Ben mansford claimed.

As for rubbing costs, I again refer back to chesterfield. The running costs are paid by the management company who take a 50% share of the profits.