Corbyn: set the controls for the heart of the sun

Mission implode. Four more wasted years with this loser before we can even begin to hope for an electable Labour Party.

 

Or maybe the Tories will self-implode anyway. Soon after May declares a democracy for all, they drop the fracking bomb- shell in Lancashire. Aye alright.

 

You raise some interesting points there.

First up, May will discover (after the litigation) that she can not constitutionally activate Article 50 without parliamentary consent (may take some time - hilariously, possibly all the way up to the ECJ). Once that happens, a parliamentary vote will have to be held. It may well be that MP's say then that they must vote to respect the referendum result. BUT, it is possible they won't. If that happens, then she will have no option but to call an election (provided she can get Parliament to repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act first). That would expose the divisions that still exist within the Tory Party. Thing is, I can't see Labour benefitting from that, even then. (Only my opinion, I stress).

What's more likely is that when May realises she can't activate Article 50 without parliamentary approval, she will hold off doing so long enough to allow the boundary changes to take effect, which will further spaff Labour. That's why this current ridiculous distraction with Corbyn and his extreme leftie acolytes is so potentially disastrous going forward. Purely in my view, of course.

 

What I'm not clear about is why people think Corbyn is 'extreme left' his views for the the majority of the Labour Party's existence are pretty mainstream. If you compare his ideology to that of say Nye Bevan there is little difference. We have of course lurched right under the happy auspices of Murdoch but does that also mean we forget history and context.

 

For starters his alienation of 80% of the PLP (as currently constituted) directly contravenes the aims of the first article of the Labour Party constitution which states the aim to organise and maintain in Parliament and in the country a political Labour Party.

His opposition to the renewal of the nuclear deterrent (whilst a credible desire in itself) contravenes existing Labour Party policy as voted for at the last conference. He has acquiesced in the alteration of his shadow defence secretary's speech being *******ised, even as it was being delivered, and has today sacked the said shadow because (apparently) his views do not accord with his own - even though they are in comity with official LP policy.

He has further indicated his commitment to widescale renationalisation of several industries or sectors without the authority of the party and has flagged up several spending priorities without indicating how they are to be funded.

He advocates these ideas while demanding a level of unity and loyalty to which he has never personally subscribed during his 30+ years in Parliament. Maybe he'll win a mandate in 2020 - if he makes it. If not, the Tories will likely be out of sight.

 

None of that makes his views extreme left.

The NHS would not exist without policy shifts and a move away form existing policy engineered by Bevan they happen all the time.

The extreme right of the Labour Party have just failed to understand how out of touch they are with ordinary members. I'm not saying that Corbyn's leadership is right or wrong but he has a clear mandate from his party so the rump of the hard right that oppose him need to accept that and move forwards. Of course if I publicly criticised my boss and defend him I'd expect to be sacked it's little wonder that Corbyn's patience has worn thin.

 

But what if your boss was out of step with 80% of his workforce?

 

Most bosses are out of step with their workforce to some extent or other. The big bosses remain in position as long as they keep the shareholders happy, and the Labour Party members (shareholders) have just given him a big vote of confidence.

 

Any even slightly Marxist interpretation of class relations would inevitably conclude that they were!

That's not particularly relevant - the PLP aren't really employees of Corbyn in an economic sense - but I think it's mildly interesting nonetheless given your analogy.

 

Double post

 

I think you'll find that 80% as you say alienated Corbyn rather than the other way round and it's the same 80% that's done absolutely nothing to halt the Tories devastation of public services ,in fact abstaining in one very important debate to halt them.

 

Then the workforce either fall into line or leave. Such is the way of the world. If you want to look at the Labour Party members as in overall charge they have clearly expressed a wish for the party to move in a certain direction it's not for employees like MPs to subvert their wishes like they are trying to do. In fact it's shameful.

 

Case in point; the wind bag failures son, admitted he daren't stand up against Torres as he was afraid they'd have a go at him.

 

I think your constant sniping at Corbyn and the changes in the Labour Party are misguided Orsen. You and me have differed before if you remember and I do respect your opinion as you are often quite lucid. However, I think you are plain wrong in waht you say in your soundbyte. The Labour Party is in decline and has been for twenty years or more. The share of the vote is shrinking and even with First Past the Post labour got wiped out in Scotland in the last general election. The rise of UKIP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc tell you that Labour is losing support. That loss of support was not down to Corbyn. Something needs to be done to arrest that decline and Corbyn is offering it. He is offering people a move away from austerity and suggesting that people should be treated with respect in our society rather than being marginalised. He wants to nationalise inefficient railways and invest in infrastructure in deprived areas. Not extreme and not a bad idea in my book. The PLP as a rule seem to resent this because they are stuck in the time warp that simply by being Labour MPs they will be ok and the status quo is fine. No changes are necessary if you agree with them. If the PLP were really bothered they would now get behind Corbyn who has now won a second overwhelming leadership victory. The status quo is not fine however is it? This country is, more than ever, extremely polarised along many lines, and the gap between rich and poor is at an all time extreme also. I am sick of reading about food banks in the 6th richest country in the world. Not acceptable. I am really worried about the NHS. I love the NHS. I am genuinely worried about social discontent as things deteriorate. Labour must offer policies that give people hope and that will reverse some of the scandalous decisions of the Tories that are destroying peoples' lives.
To simply snipe at Corbyn as some kind of anti-Labour monster is to miss the point of what he represents in my opinion.
Corbyn is not perfect, even in my eyes, and I particularly think his ability with traditional media is not very good, BUT... to if Labour continues as it is doing, will, in my opinion, definitely lead to the complete demise of the Labour Party. Labour HAS to change and re-engage with its traditional base. Corbyn realises that I think. You, Orsen, do not.

 

Oh I forgot to say... Best wishes mate. We are all BFC fans at least!!

 

You too, KCP! The 'soundbite' is of course only my opinion - I may be wrong. But I suppose we'll only know in four years' time. To be fair, I don't disagree with much of what you say. But I very much doubt whether Corbyn is the man to address all these ills, simply because I don't think he can get elected. There's a world of difference between having a large mandate among your party activists and making that appeal to the wider electorate, many of whom don't analyse much of what they're told by the media. May, meanwhile is playing a smarter game by trying to make some appeal beyond her party's natural constituency. I'm very sceptical about what she'll deliver, but I don't see Corbyn even trying to reach out in that way. Even his opponents concede that he is a decent bloke, but the contemptible people behind him and their vile tactics will turn the electorate off - purely in my opinion, of course!

By the way, you credit me with more lucidity than my family do!

 

I bet he's got a saucer full of secrets as well

In the closet.

 

Re: I bet he's got a saucer full of secrets as well

Wish we had another labour leader like John Smith

 

This is possibly the best thing I've ever read

 

And I completely agree with this too