Corbyn: set the controls for the heart of the sun

And i thought id lead a sheltered life...

 

I was thinking about May's speech the other day. I think she is taking a real risk because she's identifying problems that she has no way of resolving and her party will never be trusted resolve. It's like Labour's suicidal position on immigration. Continually saying it's a problem but offering no solution and then wondering why people who agreed with them voted for UKIP or the Tories. May started identifying problems with wealth inequality that only the left can resolve IMO. The left need to embrace the discourse and then offer the real alternative.

 

Well, without pictures anyway

 

More posts like these please. And your one above. And Orsen Khat's reply.

(And fewer where women are called bitches. FFS)

 

I have been Labour all my life. Now 76 years old, and I never thought I would see the day when the Labour Party would become extinct.
Corbyn is a catastrophe, he has made the best of Millibands big mistake of £3 membership fees. The Socialist party have taken over and the ordinary man has no say in the elections and decisions. They have the audacity to think we will vote for them. I will never vote for Labour while this idiot is the LEADER ??? I have seen a lot of wannabe,s like Michael Foot come and go but this guy takes the biscuit . In his younger days he was more like the leader of the Looney Party
God help the working class people

 

Genuine question, can i ask which of his policies you disagree with?

Did you vote for Labour under Michael Foot btw?

 

He has more in common with the ordinary man in his little finger than Blair ever had but you voted for him.,?
Difference being Blair never threatened nor intervened in individuals and corperates greed and corruption so wasn't attacked as much by the mass media ,
Corbyn has vowed to publish and outlaw extreme greed and corruption ,not an easy task I grant and he'll be slaughtered by the media on the way as he is being now .
He's not the Messiah and he'll not stop it straight away but at least it'll be a start but the media are full on in their attacks and filling voters heads with lies dressed as truths and with a lot of people it'll work.

 

I think you've just made a case for Corbyn and Labour, The 'working class people' have bore the brunt of Thatcherism, Less offensive, bit inadequate Blairite policies, The credit crunch, with This Town's MP 's abstaining in Parliament over issues that crucially affect many of their constituents. I' m not religious so I don't believe God will help the Working Classess, The working classes can help themselves by waking up and smelling the coffee and bombard their MP's with-E-mails, attending their surgeries and the like. Oh, and stop buying the scum-bag media outlets that attacks them.

 

Yes, I did because the Labour Party was not in bits like present. No matter what policies the Labour Party has is irrespective as this guy is that weak in the House people just laugh at him

 

Blair made a mistake getting tied up with Gungo in the USA. Before this he got the Labour Party in charge of the Country, something Corbyn will never do.
The Tories under Osborne decimated the working class and they will carry on doing it and Corbyn will not stop it

 

I have seen it all and heard it all what Leaders are going to do. Corbyn could not burst his way out of a paper bag never mind command the house in debate.
If he went to the country on a vote as to whether he should be leader he would be decimated

 

Did you see him at PMQs on grammar schools the other week?

 

Not on his policies though but on the vile assassination of his character and distortion of his beliefs, eg his supposed allegiance to the IRA which if you care to investigate is nothing of the sort but hey ho the power of the press etc is unfortunately understandable as Goebles found out in his campaign on Minorities .

 

Homer you have every right to your views , I think your views of Corbyn are wrong, I'm not going to go into why it would take me all day theres that much, but I'll just say this, the Labour party will be a better place without the likes of you and Orsen .

 

Can't agree with that. The Labour party needs to take everyone on the journey

 

A perfect demonstration of why Labour is presently unelectable, with all due respect to you UTC.

 

The trouble with many of the remarks in this thread is that they assume that the class war is still being fought. The issues that saw the formation of the unions and the Labour Party have been fought and won. Laws enshrine the rights of the individual, protection for workers and education and health services for all. Of course, the world moves on and these laws will need to be adjusted and amended, but the poverty and disadvantage that I saw in my youth, is now largely gone. Unfortunately, there is still a big gap between the rich and the poor, but provided the rich have paid their taxes and have not obtained that wealth illegally, I do not envy them their wealth. Unfortunately, many do and the Labour Party now represent the politics of envy rather than being the party that represent genuine need. It is a party that continues to fight a class war has been won, a party that has lost its identity, a party that has gone back into its past in search of a reason to be. I am afraid that it is a party that is unelectable because too few of the electorate identify with its aims, or with its leader. It is a party that has lost touch with the people because it has become so insular and inward looking. I write these words with sorrow. It is a huge shame.

 

Best let the NHS , Social Services, police services , etc etc etc that there is no war on the lower classes .
Obviously you discount the homeless, disabled and people with learning difficulties as not in poverty then,?
There's loads of poverty in our very rich nation and while ever there is people with far more money than they could ever spend and done do little to obtain it and people begging for money to save their lives with cancer etc there'll always be a need for the labour party.vthe party of ENVY.!!!!!!

 

What them that slag the Labour Party off and its leader off at every opportunity there better off out its these people that are trying there best to split the party up
and have no interest in voting labour that's my opinion ark keep the faith mi owd.

 

The class war has not been won, and those who think it has - Blair springs to mind - do not understand what it is, and generally think that all working people need is to have their standard of living raised to make them 'middle class'. Some of the battles that the parliamentary Labour party was formed to fight have been won (although every time the Tories are elected their actions remind us how tenuous many of these rights are - don't fall into the trap of assuming that they're inalienable).

I don't support the Labour party but I am very much on the left. My issue with capitalism is not to do with envying how much the rich have (although I do find the gap between rich and poor to be deeply immoral), but rather comes from a fundamental rejection of the systems which it represents. Class war, for me, refers to how I view the fundamental relationship between labour and capital under capitalism. It's not ended by our glorious leaders passing down shiny baubles, however important some of those baubles may be.

I suppose a good way of putting it is that people who think that class war is over, or an outdated concept, tend to think in terms of the lower/middle/upper classes. If you view it in terms of workers/capital then it becomes obvious that it is not.

All of this aside, I think that the argument that the Labour party is less relevant than it has been perhaps since its founding is an interesting one, and certainly has legs. I suspect that the next few decades are really going to highlight just how broken a system capitalism is (the continuing rise of the internet megacompanies and an increase in automation/AI) and my suspicion is that Labour, with its inherent concentration on employment, might just find itself outflanked by a more relevant organisation - it should go without saying that I don't mean Ukip! Then again, I think the same might be true for the Tories.