Corbyn: set the controls for the heart of the sun

I take it you are aware in the explosion in the use of Food Banks, the Red Coss delivering food parcels, the Bedroom Tax, the attacks on the disabled the dismantling by stealth of the welfare State. The class war is still alive in fact it's keener then ever. When Thatcher said 'there's no such thing as society' she was wrong but her actins and those that flowed have made it a self fufiling prophesy . I understand a swing to the right as you get older but this post ignores the plight of an anomised youth stuck in a poverty loop without the escape routes that you had which is sad from an intelligent person.

 

Controversial viewpoint. The bedroom tax is a good thing. Just not implemented correctly

 

This thread is a good read and thought provoking, and seems to me to encapsulate a new insecurity and uncertainty amongst everyone as to what might next happen to all our circumstances, given the turmoil in our political parties, our relationship with the rest of the world, our own individual ideological leanings and a rapidly evolving techno-digital landscape.

We're doomed! Doomed I tell ye!

btw we'd have had food banks etc years ago if the poor had not then been so proud as to shun them.

And there will be poor always, pathetically suffering, for one reason or another.

And you're getting personal with RR. And shouldn't.

 

I'd cautiously agree, in principle. If only they'd built tens of thousands of one-bedroom flats before punishing people for not moving into them...

 

I don't think the problem is that they didn't build enough, it is the absolutely stupid policy of selling council homes that is the problem. Social housing is there to provide homes for the needy not to be some kind of cheap way of buying a home and depriving the next generation of that much needed social housing.

Take for example a typical rental property in Barnsley, 2 bed terrace in worsbrough (valued at roughly 90,000). The rent for this is under £3700 per year. Rent it for 3 years at a cost of £11,000 and buy the property for £58500. That's £31,500 off the market value and a saving of over £20,000 for the buyer whilst taking a council home away from the next generation.

It's wrong, everyone knows it's wrong but for some reason it's been allowed to continue for decades.

Ban the sale of council homes, force the government to replace all homes that have EVER been sold under right to buy (it would cost a lot but we could always save that money by not spending billions bombing other countries or owning nuclear weapons capable of the murder of millions of people) and there would be no shortage of homes.

Interesting fact, at the past freedom of information request Barnsley council stated that there were over 1600 homes that had been vacant in Barnsley for 6 months or longer.

Not sure what my point is with the second one really

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with selling council houses to tenants.

You can tinker with the cost structure, but not the principle.

 

It depends what you think the point of social housing is. I'm against it on principle because I think it's selling off commonly held assets to the private sector, and at a discount! Those of us renting privately don't have the opportunity to buy our homes at below market value.

If it must happen, though, then the proceeds should all go into building replacement stock.

 

Of course there is something wrong with it.

Social housing is there to provide the needy with somewhere to live. How anybody can agree with the principle of selling off those homes to private owners denying the next generation of the possibility of living there is beyond me

 

Compassion and decency versus greed, theft, murder and corruption? Should be a no-brainer, but sadly it isn't. An individuals opinion on Corbyn will tell you infinitely more about that person, than it ever will about Jez...

He's a moral traffic light..

 

Mmm.... well if you tell me that my dad, who must have paid for his council house many times when paying rent for 30 years, ought not to be able to buy it - BUY IT - that is to say pay a lump sum on top of what he'd already paid in rent, then who is sticking up for the working class?

Maggie?

Who is keeping the working class down where they belong by saying they can't be allowed to buy their house?

And why can't they pass the proceeds on to their kids?

The working class passing on their inheritance. Giving their family summat for a change when they die. How appalling.

 

Tories laugh at him, you mean. When they are not squirming with embarrassment, shame and fear...

 

Fine. But the vast majority of the working class rent privately, not from the council or social landlords. Legislate for them to have the same rights and I might be on board. Why should it only be the public sector which has to bear losses like this?

 

I could buy the house I grew up in tomorrow and multiply my money x 5. Why don't I? Because I'm trying not to be a morally bankrupt, selfish ****. :smile:

 

When you rent you know what the score is.

There are houses for sale and you can either afford to buy or you can't.

Around here you don't need too much to get on the property ladder.

Down south there is a mega problem.

Start at the bottom. Save for a deposit. I did (not that I've climbed too far..)

 

The house wasn't his, he was renting it. Why should that automatically give him the right to FORCE the owner to sell it him at a significant discount? Answer: it shouldnt

 

Well, yes. But I don't understand why you have that opinion about private sector tenants, but not about public sector tenants. It's exactly the same thing - you just happen to have a different landlord. There was nothing stopping your dad from saving for a deposit and buying a house without depleting social housing stock.

 

Re: I bet he's got a saucer full of secrets as well

Do you mean you wish he was here?

 

Echoes

of Micheal Foot.

 

This is true.

I presume you approve of a continuing policy of keeping the working class down in their non-property owning place.

Whilst bleeding them of their income by way of rent.

 

I am working class and I grew up in a rented council home. Both my parents grew up in rented council homes, all of my grandparents grew up lived and died in rented council homes.

Do you honestly believe that the council bleeds tenants by daring to charge them quite a low rent?