Brexit wheels just come off in Richmond

Yeah, that's how it works. 1, one-off referendum. There should be no attention paid to any public opinion after that as to how and when we go about doing it. That's completely Theresa's prerogative.

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.........unless the Supreme Court says differently!

 

I think my original quote was acurate enough.

 

Well it didn't vote to remain . You'd never get 100% in any political vote. If the vote had gone in favour of remain would you say it's ridiculous so say Britain has voted to remain.

 

How do you know which way the 'first time' voters voted . Did you see their ballot paper ? Maybe they don't usually vote because they feel no affiliation to a political party but felt strongly about leaving the EU. I don't know the answer to that , what I do know is they've as much right to vote as a regular voter so it's not an issue.

 

Why shouldn't there have been a referendum when a high percentage of the population wanted one. The majority voting to leave showed it was justified.

 

How could they when they are not in government??

 

True but all major parties say we will now leave following on from the majority vote, admittedly on what terms we don't know yet.To say the vote in Richmond means the wheels have come off the country's moves to withdraw from the EU is naive.

 

Its down to the elected government to make it happen yes.

I never said there shouldn't be any notice taken of people's opinions after.

 

No government can consult with the British people and then simply put two fingers up to them because they do not like what they have been told. It is just not possible.

Unfortunately, we now have to go through a charade of trying to negotiate a soft Brexit ... And failing. At that point, the government can return to the British people and say, "look we tried, we gave it our best shot in all good faith, but we have failed to get the terms that we wanted and we believe that the country will be worse off if we proceed on these terms. At that point, the decision will be put back to the country in a second vote with all party support for the status quo.

 

Now that sounds like sensibility. However, you watch the backlash if they try to say we can't leave the EU because doing so will bugger the country financially and socially, even after years of negotiation.

A fiver says May will be bumped and Johnson becomes PM within two years.

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I think that Trump will ensure that blonde air heads of whatever sex are never trusted with the reins of power again.

 

But its gone past a trading zone as per its original mandate. By a long shot.
Its now almost a sovereign entity in its own right. Currency. Parliament. Judicial system...
Now wanting to form its own army...
Trump is barking mad however trump has made as part of his mandate to develop stronger ties with Putin while the British government have sent troops to the polish border inder Eu instruction...
Which given that both world wars to you yourself were largely european in origin doesnt bode well really....

 

There's an awful lot that is sensible about that approach. For the time being however, the EU is maintaining the line that negotiations do not begin until Article 50 is triggered. If that line holds, then the choice after two years will be exit on the deal we have negotiated or on no deal at all. This is why it is so important for Parliament to have some control over the government before Article 50 is triggered.

Practically though, the Italian referendum, and forthcoming polls in France and Austria may further hasten the breakup (or total reform) of the EU in any event. The clueless stance of our government and consequent inaction may therefore be the best thing that can happen while we wait for that. We should be pursuing Cameron for all this mess.

 

Exactly

 

The greater the rise of the Nationalist Parties in the E.U. the greater the threat to the Union.

Keep an eye on this weekends Italian referendum - look at the rise of the German AfD. Hungarian Jobbik, Front Nationale, the Dutch Nationalists.

12 months from now the E.U. will be in a terminal decline.

 

I'm not sure the point you make with this. So the way to tackle nationalism is for us (and others) to become insular and turn our back on cooperation and integration?

 

So why do you think nationalism is rising?

 

As I witnessed it in polling station and it being all over the television and media It was pretty obvious.
How you can dispute that when it is common knowledge , I know loads who voted first time.
As for your assumption that I was questioning their right to vote for first time your wrong.
I was just putting the point that as they don't vote regularly mps will be wary that most of the Remainers were regular voters and not being able to rely on sporadic voters makes their seats at elections vulnerable and may act accordingly .

 

Inequality. Was ever thus. Blame of the other. It certainly has never been solved by being inward looking.