Corbyn: What will it take?

Not sure why the abuse to the poster..they are right Copeland has been voting Labour for 80 years , it's basically the Whitehaven constituency , renamed in 1983 .

 

Piffle. He appeared at more Remain events than any other leader and was correct to not share a platform with the Tories.

 

Why on earth are you a member then?

 

Do you really believe that...?

 

Ghastly mess... Yeah from 20 years of liberal thinking... that's why this country's up 5hitcreeck. As for Corbyn he was always anti EU, but dint have the guts to stand up and say.. Waste of time..

 

"20 years of liberal thinking." Hahahahahahahahaha

 

Piffle backatcha

 

The question is will May learn from Gordon Browns mistake and call a snap election whilst Labour are in disarray or risk it all going tits up if Brexit turns out to be a total disaster in a few years time . Corbyn will go before 2020 ,maybe before the end of the year but theres no chance of a Blairite return, more likely a Kinnock type ,look out for Starmer being snapped sat next to Denis Skinner

 

Despite the fact that the press have largely succeeded in doing a cynical hatchet job on Corbyn, they aren't responsible for his absolute failure to unite the party. Someone who can bridge that gap, and by definition appeal to floating middle-ground voters is essential. I'd love to see Andy Burnham give it another shot, but sadly that ship has sailed. Although he's too New Labour 2.0 for me, I reckon Chuka Umunna should have enough mass appeal to mean that 2020 can still result in a Labour victory. And even if that's New Labour 2.0, that's got to be a hell of a lot better than five more years of the Tories. The current lot are as bad as Thatcher's mob.

 

I don't disagree with a lot of that. The problem with someone like Chuka is his association with Blair which is seen as pretty poisonous. So by bridging the middle ground you lose the core traditional supporters. New Labour 1.0 unfortunately left a deeply divided party by abandoning core principles in the pursuit of power.

The May government is certainly more right wing more anti working class and more vindictive than most governments. They don't have to wage war on the working classes anymore because they have defeated themselves.

 

Any left-leaning voter who refuses to vote for an Umunna-led Labour party due to perceived closeness to Blair really is cutting off their nose to spite their face.

"No, I don't want to vote for you because we're not socialist enough. So I'll just help the Tories get back in instead."

 

Do you think he should have shared platforms with Cameron? It's that decision that confirmed what Scots feared and led to the SNP sweep.

 

A Kinnock Type? Didn't a Welsh Wind Bag stand against Corbyn last summer?

 

Choke Ummuma? Yak.

Clive Lewis, Angela Raynor for me I think.

 

We fell for that tripe from 97 onwards

 

Not saying I'm a Chukka fan, far from it. Clive Lewis is a good shout, but I think he could be deemed too inexperienced by some.

 

It's not tripe though is it? The Tories are in power, and they're completely out of control, acting with impunity when in actual fact they have a wafer-thin majority. It's all very admirable in theory sticking to your principles, but I'm not so inflexible that I can stand by while the current bunch of cnuts destroy the NHS and many other things besides. New Labour for all their faults, would not have allowed this and a lot of the **** that is going down right now to happen.

 

There is a power struggle going on in the Labour Party, by the PLP & former Blairites, like Milliband, who has managed to but his oar in as well now. Umunna would have won the election when he was heir apparent, but since then, hundreds of thousands of new members have joined, who I doubt would support him. I think there will be a new leader emerge in the next few years that the party will get behind, but that person is not clear at the moment. I think Burnham is a good bloke, but I think he'll get stuck into the Manchester role & bide his time, as he knows he can't win at present. The bias at the BBC is beyond belief. They are even getting quotes from Len McCluskey's challenger for the Unite leadership, hardly a man who is going to give a dispassionate view.

 

The pre Corbyn Labour party supported Osborne's disastrous austerity budget?

 

Do you think that a Miliband-led government would be systematically dismantling the NHS?