Corbyn: What will it take?

No.

(I'm clearly not a Tory!)

The thing is his brother beat him to the leadership, his brother lost an election that he really should have walked, as he didn't have any defining policies
to oppose the austerity message & he was too linked to the failed Blair / Brownites. As a result not enough Labour supporters turned out.
I'm not happy about things either, I can assure you!

 

Angela Raynor from Wilko as well

 

I'd never vote for Choke. He's a Liberal. At best.

 

Probably would still be using the private sector more and more and choking it further with more PFI.

I told my local MP's husband in 2010 that Labour's "reforms" had opened the door for wide spread private provision. He told me I was way off. Reminded him of it whilst out campaigning locally last weekend. He had to admit I was right.

New Labour had 13 years and barring the minimum wage, none of their achievements have stood the storm of Tory rule. So much could have been done to improve and change society in the long term but was fundamentally a government without a ideological base and therefore everything was built on sand.

 

No they'd have done the same over time with a smile on their face whilst saying "we are nicer than those nasty Tories".

 

I really believe that the other parties don't give a toss about the environment, and have only reluctantly done things in the past because of EU directives. When we leave the EU, our future governments will ditch environmental policies left right and centre. They are only interested in winning elections and gaining power.

The environment is the most important issue there is, as the environment deteriorates, all other costs go up (particularly the NHS - how much do we fork out for Asthma sufferers each year?).

1 Million people voted Green at the last General Election.

I've been a party member for 3 years.

 

The only see I can see a post boundary fiddle left government of any type is through coalition so with someone like that I would probably go back to voting Green rather than Labour.

 

Agree completely! I actually think Miliband was ok, just a bit lacking in focus. Somebody from his general area of the party but with a clearer public persona would do me. I also think that Redstar's shout of Clive Lewis is not a bad one.

 

In principle agree, which is why we need proportional representation more than ever .

 

We need a benevolent dictator

 

Because I was a massive socialist, but in the last few years I've opened my eyes and realised there simply isn't an ideology that will work for everyone becauses humans are so different.

 

Not a credible Candidate though was he ...Kier Starmer is though,

 

This need not be too traumatic for you, given that you don't believe in democracy anyway.

 

People are wrong to blame Corbyn, the fault comes from within. The Labour leader has enough on from the press never mind his own party. I saw him at the NUM in Barnsley, no other MP was there, enough said.

 

What is a "liberal" though? I would class myself as a social liberal. I'm also reasonably liberal economically, as I generally believe in free market economics. Yet I also believe in a strong welfare state, helping society's most vulnerable, and free universal healthcare and education, funded by a progressive taxation system. I probably fall somewhere along the scale in the same place that a typical Scandinavian democrat would. Not too far away from Corbyn, but not a million miles away from some of Chukka's positions either. But above all else I'm a pragmatist and a realist, and if that involves voting for somebody I don't really like or agree with 100% in order to keep the Tories out, I'll do it every time.

 

My post about a benevolent dictator was a joke

Other than that basis, you are wrong

 

I'm not a member of The Greens, but I do support Green environmental policies in the main . But EU directives are what we adhere to now , but Britain had environmental laws before we joined the EEC .

 

Face it folks, the Labour Party has outlived its usefulness. It was a very late 19th century party, which supported a modified form of Marxism, but with the closure of old 'hands on' industries, its days were numbered by the noughties. Even the McCluskis of this world will realise it within the next decade, as driverless trains, buses and even planes come into fruition.