Reality Check

The options were not promotion or none promotion. League position and entertainment are also factors. Finishing 7th is not equal to finishing 19th

 

Show me one documented proof of this magic £7m which you keep quoting

 

Pick any figure you like. Lets start at £500k.

 

This thread is about the business sense of selling those players. It is about whether the club was right from in a financial and business sense to sell those players. The thread argues that because it was right in a business sense, it is right for the long term and on-going security of the club. It conducts the argument in a business way, without bringing emotion into the argument because at the end of the day, emotion does not buy or pay footballers.

 

Of course emotion buys and pays footballers because emotion is support and support is money

 

It's a sad fact Getrammellon that considerations like these often produce results which a detailed study and analysis of the form fails to provide!

 

Nice side step. How much extra would supporters be willing to contribute because the club finished 7th rather than 19th. Does it compare to the goodwill that the supporters contributed as a result of winning two Wembley finals and being promoted, because that did not bring in anything like £7m.

 

Oh dear! Jim Bowen might have said "you've got your 5M from Mawson and your 7M from Stones - that's yours to keep! But it's about this little pot for Bree/Conor/Sam". They're on the books till Summer. It's not money that we're risking! Let that original (miniscule) investment in these three play out and see where it takes us. It's not additional money to put in! All academic now, of course. But we didn't need to sell on this occasion.

 

The Law of Sod!

 

And another thing. What is the next stage of the plan? How do we move forward? Or is it just this - acquire, develop, sell, start again? Do we have to settle for this forevermore?

Long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be

 

Well clearly I like my analogy better than yours.

As I recall, Hourihane cost about £250k and Winnall about the same. The hard one is Bree. Let us say that the academy costs around £1m per year in running costs. If you remember the discussion about our losses in the last financial accounts, there was a discussion about how they could be reduced, and I suggested that we might close the academy. These costs can only be justified if the academy produces players that save us money in the transfer market. That is to say, academy costs could be classed as transfer expenditure. Given that our long term plan is to supplement our other sources of income through player sales, it is right that the academy be regarded as a profit centre. That is, it should make the club money, or there is no point in doing it. Of course, the amount of academy costs that can be attributed to individual transfers is the hard one. It is easier to calculate the profit or loss of the academy, rather than attribute academy costs to individual players. All that this little discussion is meant to do is to illustrate that the money that we got for Bree was not free money. That is, it is not pure profit. All the players that we sold had a cost, and if anything, the cost of Bree was probably the most.

 

How else do you define football other than as a series of cycles. You play from August to May, and the next August, you begin again. A player begins his career and after just 15 years it is done. The game does not stop because a player retires. It begins again.

And around and round and round in the circle game.

 

It is. Arsenal fans have the hopes and dreams of winning the league or the Champions league. Those hopes are dashed every season. Peoples expectations have changed over the last 30 years and it's probably to do more with the cost of the game than anything else.

 

£7 million? How much of that will go back into recruitment? Barely anything is my guess.
Our "plan" is a good one, granted. But if we build a squad next season based on youngsters and trying to polish them up to sell them on, we will go down. In this league you need to get the balance right, and that means dipping into the pocket and bringing in quality.

I really am worried what next season will bring. Next seasons Rotherham.


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I'll bear in mind that in you saying that you did not think our players could hold their own in the Championship which they clearly have, 3 so much so that they have secured moves away on much increased terms.

There is no way we'd want or need to spend £100 million to try and stay up - the ethos has to be to spend wisely and don't treat relegation back to the Championship as a disaster. Your suggestion that we would have to spend that kind of money is disingenuous at best I'm afraid.

 

Relegation costs us about 7 million doesn't it...

 

I hear George Osborne is going to manage Arsenal in his spare time.

 

Yes

 

You stole my thunder there jimmy......The major problem is, what we deem to be a good price for our players and then finding suitable replacements (under our long term plan).
Hecky has been quoted as saying our recruitment must improve if we are to maintain this current strategy of selling a raft of players and then replacing them. I would argue that doing so will eventually deplete the pond from which we are fishing, as we will simply not be able to get the said new players "up to speed" fast enough (the fire sale in Jan. came from a team, probably 2/3 years in the making!).
Its all well and good finding gems and polishing them up (loving it actually) but how long is this sustainable at this level?
Business models keep getting quoted on here too but we need to value our assets much more carefully for anything to work, that includes players, coaching staff and most importantly us the fans, the real stakeholders of the club.
I accept the fantastic job Patrick Cryne has done for the club and where we are now, it must be horrible having to make decisions on something you love.
Time and patience I suppose, I just fear that the players we inherit this summer will be more "work in progress" for our coach and the second they are good (ie jan again) they will be off to pastures new. We need more planning and development in this area.......its almost like we do stuff and then think.....oops we need to sort that now (after the horse has bolted) ie short term gain replaces long term planning. Great example are Southampton, who constantly lose their best players, coach and CEO! yet they have replacements.

 

Stoke CITY. 25th richest person in British football owns Stoke City. Peter Coates. Net worth £2.4bn
Bournemouth. Russian Maxim Demin. Petroleum products tycoon. Probably not a pauper.
Burnley. Mike Garlick & John Banaszkiewicz. £55m
Leicester CITY. Srivaddhanaprabha family. £2.2bn (Leicester are among the top 20 richest clubs in the world.)
Swansea CITY . Kaplan & Levien. Levien already owns DC United in the States.
Hull CITY . Allam family. £317m
Middlesbrough. Steve Gibson. £135m
Sunderland. Ellis Short. £2.36bn