Revenue and player salaries

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  1. orsenkaht

    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    What's the average price paid for our season tickets?

    If it were, say £325 that's (very roughly) 6,000 x £325 = £1,950,000.

    We've obviously pay on the day revenues and about £6M from the EFL, I believe?

    On these sorts of figures we apparently lost £1M last season, which was a successful one.

    Not saying those figures are right - someone will know?

    Looking at retention, and paying higher wages to attract/retain good players:

    If we were paying our players £5k per week and we wanted to pay them £10k per week (probably closer to the Championship average) and we had say, 25 players, that would be 25 x £5k x 50 weeks = £6,250,000.

    And we know Wednesday gave Sam £18k pw and Villa gave Conor £28K pw!

    So where does the extra £6.25M come from?

    All theoretical of course, and my figures may be well out, but does it illustrate the impossible position we're in?
     
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    I guess you would be looking to pay core players enhanced money rather than every one.

    In football as in life not everyone is equal so you are probably looking at 4/5 x5000x 52. Still over a million quid though.

    I wonder how much Bradford make by selling 10,000 replica shirts or Southampton through pop up bars
     
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    I've read today about the approx £4million solidarity payment, and isn't the TV deal worth about £6mill per season in the Championship?

    Shows the fragility of football without TV income.

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    We had about 7,500 ST holders last season, even more worrying.
     
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    Under the terms of SCMP we are only supposed to spend 70% of our turnover on wages.

    As said earlier, Accrington had a turnover of £2.2m on gates of less than 1,700.

    We're supposed to believe our turnover was less than £6..5m.
     
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    But at £250 an ST we'd probably shift 10,000. Which equals. £2.5m

    If 2000 of your 6000 bought a shirt at £30 we could add £60k. But if 4000 of my 10,000 bought a shirt we'd add £120k

    If 5000 of your 6000 spent £5 on half time snap, we'd make £575k over a season. If 9000 of my 10,000 spent £5 that would rake in just over a mill.

    6k fans buying a £3 beer every home match.£414,000. 10k fans buying the same ...... £690,000

    Add what away fans spend (there'll be some decent followings again)

    Add TV money.

    Take into account this years accounts (we just published last years)

    Market the ******** out of the club shop.

    Decent Cup run ........

    Less admin overhead on sporadic match offers (the 'offer' will have been made at the start of the season).

    Bit of imagination we could be making a bob or two. It wouldn't take a massive amount of work to get your figures closer to mine.
     
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    But last season wasn't the solidarity payment for the EFL a fraction of the Championship one (about £650,000) which would explain for why we made a loss?

    There are also other costs of course like academy, stewarding, policing etc. so it's easy to see how money can go so quickly
     
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    Well SCMP doesn't apply to us anymore as we are in the Championship. http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php

    In theory, We can lose an average of £13m a season over 3 seasons providing our owner injects some equity. Football is totally f*cked. The Acrington Chairman is right.

    I think our turnover last time in the Championship was close to 10m and would image the accounts for this year with transfers in would show more than that
     
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    Do you believe our turnover last season - i.e 2015/16 - was less than £6.5m?
     
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    Turnover 2013/14 Champ £9.4m

    2014/15 League 1 £4.8m

    2015/16 ? from where does the £6.5m originate ?

    My guess for 2016/17 is between £12 and £15m although it's likely we'll never know (excluding transfers)
     
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    We've got a lot of free kids tickets (1000ish? might be less now) and lots of concessions.

    I've no idea. I would have thought so. Why? Is there a big conspiracy? Where's 6.5m from?
     
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    £4.8m on gates of 10,000 and Accrington are turning over £2.2m on 1,700.

    I thought that £6.5 was the maximum turnover before you had to disclose full accounts. Can't remember where I heard that.
     
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    Didn't a million of that come from a share scheme?
     
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    Is Accrington's turnover figure of £2million a consistent year on year figure do we know, or have they had a cash injection, cup run etc that would potentially skew it in a particular year?

    I know their Chairman became part of the club back in 2015 on condition he cleared £1.2million of debts and paid a £300k HMRC bill.



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    stones 5m
    Holgate 2m
    maswon 5m
    bree 2m
    winnall 1m
    conor 2m

    obviously this rough guess to what we would of received in player sales, about time club started putting some money back in the club.
    clubs getting run by fools. no ceo since January its time to sell up
     
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    I don't think that 6.5m figure is right anymore. I think it changed in time for that set of accounts. A company must now be able to fulfil two of the following criteria.
    • a turnover of £10.2 million or less
    • £5.1 million or less on its balance sheet
    • 50 employees or less
     
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    Though we sold near on 10k season tickets last season patrick said himself we have about 100 free kids mind you.
     
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    Yeah I just read Andy Holt took a share in October 2015 and was going to inject 1.8m into the club over two years.
     
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    100 or 1000?
     
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    unless FRS was adopted early which it was in this case, then small company limit is £10.2m
     
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