Having heard Diane Abbott last week and now Angela Raynor on the radio

...given we are talking about the prospective Home Secretary and the prospective Education Secretary, is there anyone on here who is voting Labour who does NOT have serious misgivings about the possibility of those two in a position of power, because I do?
I had to laugh the other week at a thread where someone accused people voting Conservative of being 'brainwashed' as in the same thread a poster actually stated " I have to admit I have always voted labour...it was how I was brought up" So nothing to do with policies, manifestos or individual poilticians then?

Just repeat the words " Labour good- Conservative bad" ad-infinitum. Strewth!!

 

No not really when people are considering the Tories considering the disastrous reigns of Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson never mind Teresa May.


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Anybody can make a mistake as Captain Hook said when he wiped his ar*e with the wrong hand but I agree Diane Abbott was a total embarrassment on the radio when she was quizzed about the likely cost of employing extra police.

I can understand anyone questioning her viability as Home Secretary in waiting and as a Labour supporter myself really fear for our prospects in June. My MP Mary Creagh actually knocked at my door yesterday canvassing for votes.
Her campaign leaflet clearly articulates what she is working to preserve re- jobs, NHS services at Pinderfields and she came over as really sincere politician.

A Tory leaflet dropped through my letter box to-day headlined " Strong and Stable Government". !!!!! ( they're doing that one to death). The leaflet is very good quality but its not much use to me cos it's really shiny and if I try to wipe my ar*se on it it will skid off , so I chucked it in the bin…

 

I present you with Boris Johnson. If that absolute joke of a human being is worthy of high office than there's hope for Zippy from Rainbow. And the incompetence bomb that is Jeremy Hunt. In charge of a service he expressly wishes to terminate. Makes Abbott look like Keir Hardy.


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I heard the Diane Abbott interview live on LBC. It was worse than the Natalie Bennett interview a couple of years ago which was also by coincidence on the Nick Ferrari show on LBC.
It was so bad, so embarrassing, that I wanted Nick to end it and save her from complete humiliation.

 

Life is a minestrone, served up with parmesan cheese...

 

Stick to Pasta.

 

Stick to Pasta.

 

I know. It's a terrible thought, isn't it. Losing someone like Jeremy Hunt from Health, after he's taken all 10 NHS regions from budget surplus to massive deficits and the biggest crisis it's ever known.

And Theresa May's record as Home Secretary, too! She handled her targets on immigration immaculately. A 50,000/year net increase after the promise of reducing to below 100,000.

It's almost as though the Tories speak utter ******** all the time. Despite the fearmongering re: Labour, I think it might be quite hard for them to do worse than what has happened in Britain over the last 7 years.

Though I'm not sure of their position on fox hunting.

 

At least in Barnsley we have a good MP in Jarvis


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Hmm. This is a man who didn’t stand for leader himself when a fresh moderate face might have seen off the man who has set the direction in which the party has now gone. Having said that, I understand that with recent bereavement his young family was uppermost in his mind. I also have reservations that Major Dan was a staunch EU supporter but now seems to have jumped in the Brexit boat. Again though, I have to concede practicalities, and that that one is no longer up for debate. On the plus side, his embracing of the local community (e.g. Barnsley FC) and in particular his efforts in aid of the hospice are highly commendable.

I share the reservations about Ms Abbott and Ms Rayner. Diane Abbott is not fit to hold the office of shadow home secretary in my view, let alone the real thing. With Ms Rayner, I have no issue with her deep accent or her wider background. What worries me is her seeming inability to listen, and her insistence on diving in during discussions in a very heavy-handed and domineering manner. It typifies much of what is wrong with politics. That said, I think she is honest.

Having voted Labour most of my life, I have despaired of the party’s lurch under Corbyn, who doesn’t seem able to unite his own party (except if he gets his wish to crush any opposition with the help of his hobbits, McDonnell and Milne) let alone the country. And then I read the stories this morning about the leaked (and as yet unfinalized) Labour manifesto.

Does state ownership ever work? My recollection of the 1970’s (when I was in my teens) is not very often. But then are the privatised public services delivering? Not a bit of it. Perhaps a new stab at public ownership might be made to work better if some principles of efficient management could be applied? Perhaps more employment in publicly owned enterprises might stem the tide of agency working, zero hours contracts and such chicanery? Who knows. What does interest me in the proposals is the idea that state ownership of the utilities could be achieved by setting up large competitor companies rather than simply seizing the sector in question. Now that is more enlightened, and there would presumably be more freedom to do that outside of the EU?

Labour’s economic competence will continue to be a large question mark of course, or at least the way in which the right wing media influences perceptions of it. So that would have to be overcome. I’m not totally sure where I stand on the nuclear deterrent, except to say that I no more believe our own is truly independent than North Korea’s is. The thing is, if there were agreement to scrap it, then all of Corbyn’s policies would probably be instantly affordable, notwithstanding the anger that this would provoke among those in Cumbria who work in the industry.

So, a long, long, way to go, but it looks as though Corbyn will at least present something radically different when the finalised manifesto is published. And are Maggie May’s Tories doing so well that their reign shouldn’t be disturbed? I’m wavering. Although Major Dan will still get in with or without my vote!

 

Well balanced argument, something that seems to be missing in most political debates nowadays


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I'm not sure that I ought to enter into political discussion. I get in enough trouble with my views about football. But for better or worse, here goes.

I too was brought up in a staunch Labour voting family, but my vote should not be based upon my family beliefs, the beliefs of long dead ancestors who lived under totally different conditions, it should be based upon my own life experiences, education and beliefs. Having said that I do not turn up and place my cross in the same box as my grandfather did because of some long forgotten class struggle, an inbred animosity towards the ruling classes, my thought processes are much more complex. I believe that wealth and jobs are generated by business and that government should be about creation of the conditions for business to survive and prosper, whilst ensuring that it does not do so by exploiting the people generally, and its workers in particular. This is basically why I was against leaving the EU, I think that it will damage business and damage our prosperity. The Welfare State was created by a Labour government as a safety net for the poor, but it was never envisaged to be the what it is now. There is a real danger that it will suck up every last penny of the wealth that the country can produce in order to meet the unrealistic expectations of a population that has become more and more reliant upon the support that it provides. It is encouraging a national laziness in its population and an over reliance upon state hand outs. These views seem to put me fairly and squarely in the Conservative camp, and yet, I have never voted Conservative. I have not voted Labour either for many, many years. You see our electoral system is flawed. It confuses the election of a person to represent us in parliament with the election of a government to run the country. We have an anachronistic House of Commons and House of Lords instead of two elected chambers serving two separate functions. What we end up with under our system is a government that is elected in perhaps 100 swing seats, and the rest of the country disenfranchised because our votes do not matter. In your paragraph about Dan Jarvis being elected no matter what you vote, you have gotten to the heart of my problem. My MP, chosen by some union dominated local Labour Party committee under the instructions of the central office of the Labour Party will be elected whether I like it or not. They will be elected not because they will be good for Barnsley East or because they are popular amongst the local electorate. They will be elected because they are a Corbyn supporter who has been parachuted into a safe seat. I have no part to play in the election of a government, and I have never played a part because my vote has never been important because of where I have chosen to live. Our political system is dying on its feet and this disenfranchised voter choses not to participate in the charade.

 

I agree wholeheartedly about the electoral system. It's broken beyond repair. I'm not friend of UKIP but people who voted for them last time in their millions were royally shafted.

Shame that stupid Nick Clegg sold his soul for a pocketful of sweets and was then out thought and out manoeuvred by Cameron.


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I must admit I don't like how the Conservatives are seen as economically capable by the media, yet in the last seven years of austerity have borrowed more money that every other post-war government combined. While Labour are seen as incompetent economically but just about every Labour government has reduced the national debt - the only reason the last one didn't was due to the credit crunch, and the Tories would have done exactly the same.

 

Tories are bad
Labour are bad

Its like choosing to die by either soddomy or buggery.
Either way you are ******.

 

LOL *rolls eyes*

Just keep saying "Strong and stable, strong and stable" SQUARK!

 

Boris Johnson is the foreign secretary.

 

Jeremy Hunt was educated at Charterhouse School where he was Head Boy. He then studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Magdalen College, Oxford, and graduated with a first class honours Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree. He became involved in Conservative politics while at university, where David Cameron and Boris Johnson were contemporaries. On his return to Britain he tried his hand at a number of different entrepreneurial business ventures, including a failed attempt to export marmalade to Japan.

 

Is starving the NHS of cash and equipment contrived so that everybody moans so much they have to ultimately introduce/push private health insurance.? If as if predicted the Tories get back in I fear for the NHS, workers rights and conditions, pensions etc.However we vote in this region might not have a massive impact on how the election pans out so long as Labour supporters turn out.

There are numerous key Tory seats with majorities of under 1,000 e.g Gower, Derby North, Croydon Central, Vale of Clwyd, Bury North, Morley & Outwood, Plymouth Sutton, Thurrock, Brighton Kempton, Telford, Eastbourne, Bolton West and Weaver Vale. If Labour can win some of those then who knows.?
Latest You Gov Poll has Tories on 48, Labour 24, Libs 12, UKIP 7 Others 9 so if that's anywhere near accurate / credible it's a big ask.
Announcing that the Tories are planning to bring back foxhunting is no surprise. That way when it becomes a reality there's less of an outcry cos folks will just say " don't understand what the fuss is about they announced what they were going to do weeks/months ago anyway" . It's a well used political ploy of all governments down the years irrespective of their persuasion.