Conservatives

Poorly worded on my part.

Figures fudged by this

https://twitter.com/jimmy_viz/status/862645545722138625

 

I think that the use of 'a reduction in deficit' as a slogan works well although under scrutiny it only means we didn't use the credit card as much as last year.

 

It's a good slogan. Particularly if you have a media that will not query or question in depth what it means and will not look at how you are manipulating economic data to make it look like you are achieving summat. It's like an individual saying look how I have reduced household bills without saying they have borrowed expedentually to do so.

Any proper scrutiny taking all factors into consideration would show a slight worsening of the overall strength of our economy over tbe past 7 years. Nothing to worry about in tbe big scheme of things. We are certainly better off now than post war when debt was 250 % of Gdp but at the same time with the economic dangers of Brexit relying in more of tbe same could be seen as economically dangerous

 

I get the sentiment, but I don't think it should be quite as simple as blindly picking up manifestos and campaign messages and ignoring the background of the parties and people behind them.

For instance, as one poster has mentioned here, Jeremy Hunt contributed to essays on the prospect of flooding national health provision with the private sector in the UK less than a decade ago. If his recommendations were to be followed, the NHS would cease to exist in all but name and the insurance market would be introduced to the 'consumer'. He happens to be the Health Secretary, and so this context is vital when considering Tory promises to support our NHS.

Similarly, Theresa May's Parliamentary votes against gay marriage are well documented. Her own husband's firm make millions working with hedge funds benefitting from morally suspect offshore accounts. Is this someone who is really as committed to a Britain of equality and fairness for working people as her manifesto will alledge?

Similarly, have Corbyn and his Shadow Cabinet got the leadership, governance and nous to administer the changes they have set out? To chip at my own argument, I'd rather see them try - as an overview of their own backgrounds and personal interests would paint a picture of non-careerist, genuine campaigners who are in politics to do all they can to improve the conditions and well being of the majority of people and create a society stacked fairly for those of us who are aren't insurance company shareholders of hedgefund managers - those of us who are exploited by the very wealthiest.

 

Pretty much sums up my feelings. Harriet Harman has a 26k majority in the ward I live, so my vote is irrelevant, I suspect a decent swing to LibDem here as the only significant party with a vocal pro EU stance. Labour are likely to win here still, but it wont be by such a big distance. Plenty of yellow stickers and posters around, not seen any red or blue as yet. And already received a mailer from LibDems, but nobody else as yet.

 

Aren't all the other parties looking to avoid splitting the vote to get Hunt out?

 

I have never in my 65 years, 66 tomorrow, had any reason to vote Conservative. I can't think of one thing they have ever done which is been of benefit to Barnsley or the North of England. Saying that I can't think of anything they have ever done which has benefited the the 95% who are not well off in the UK. As for Teresa May, Cruella DeVille is a more appropriate name. The Tories are nasty evil people.

 

In case you're interested Mark there is the first of a series of Q and A interviews on LBC tonight.

Tonight it is the turn of Theresa May to be interviewed by Nick Ferrari with other party leaders to follow. It will be available to listen to on the LBC website.

Of course you're right, you should read the manifestos, listen to interviews, etc and then make your mind up.

 

Malice Inwonderland more like.

 

It all boil's down to what you want in life for you and your family, If you want austerity for the next four years, the running down of the NHS till it go's private, the workplace run like we were back in the 18th century zero hours contracts etc, more people using food banks, no welfare state to fall back on when in trouble through ill heath or some other reason, your happy with other country's owning our railway's then plowing the profits they make into making there own railways better, capping local government to the extent that they have no option's but to close down libraries etc. if your happy with the amount of tax you pay to the amount a premier league footballer pays percentage wise, I'll stop there but I could go on then VOTE CONSERVATIVE

 

Cheers for that Lee. I might just give that a listen. It's boring without the footy.....im now into politics haha.



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I know what you mean. It goes without saying that the advice of certain posters on here should be taken with a large pinch of salt. I'll let you decide who ;-)

 

I'm truly undecided mate for the first time. There's policies for Labour and conservative that I both agree and disagree with and for the first time im not drawn to any particular party. I'm not scared to give anyone my vote. I'll watch and listen and then make my mind up. My post has been misinterpreted by a few I think as they probably think I'm led towards voting blue. The thought behind it was that I just wondered if anyone on here was drawn to the conservatives but couldn't force themselves to vote due to past reasons.



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It's a difficult decision, at least it can be if you maintain an open mind and consider your options with balance. In response to your key point I honestly don't think many on here would consider voting Conservative under any circumstances and if they did they would not openly admit to it.

 

She's not though she's going to private gatherings of conservative supporters and refusing to take questions from the general public. The media aren't allowed to ask her questions unless already agreed in advance.


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Did I imagine the LBC Q and A session tonight?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elect...leaders-live/leaders-live-on-lbc-theresa-may/

 

I keep hearing how Corbyn's apparently unelectable but to me I look at his policies & I'd rather vote for him than any previous Labour leader this century.

I look at May & she's by far the worst Conservative leader this century. She has no bottle at all, she has no policies, she's terrified of debating against the other politicians because she'll get torn apart over the election fraud & she's hand picking the questions she's asked by the media.

I keep hearing how Barnsley people are brainwashed into voting Labour but the true brainwashing is the national media. Outside of Channel 4 who I feel are neutral & the Daily Mirror who support Labour the rest are pushing the Tory propaganda. 'Strong & stable' x10 every interview with nothing to back it up. It's Turkey's voting for Christmas.

 

Just finished watching Question Time which came from Edinburgh. On the whole the audience seemed to like most of the policies suggested in todays leaked Labour manifesto.
Emily Thornberry stated that the document was not the final agreed document but an earlier draft.
The Tory representative got a pretty rough ride especially when he claimed that they had reduced the budget deficit.
The whole room descended into peals of laughter which seemed to take him aback.

 

Easiest way to decide who to vote for......the party who wants a free NHS....not the one intent on privatising it and then expecting you to pay to see your doctor....couldnt be anymore simpler in my eyes....