Getting on my high horse for a moment

I am sorry but I simply don't agree that they were "just as guilty". They were stupid, undoubtedly. We have all seen kids in quad bikes and tutted loudly. But show me a kid that has not done stupid stuff. The car drivers were racing each other on a public road at ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY ******* miles per hour. How the hell you can treat both transgressions equally is beyond me.

 

The two lads on the quad bike were well known idiots, they were a menace on that quad bike throughout the village, tearing up and down, nearly running over people and shouting abuse at anyone who dared challenge them. Like I said in my original post, they witnessed a friend get killed after coming off a quad bike a year prior in the same village, so you would have thought they would have learnt a lesson from that. 140 mph on a 60 road is beyond stupid, but so is 60mph on a 30mph road on a quad bike is equally as stupid. All parties involved in that accident are/were idiots.


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This http://think.direct.gov.uk/speed.htm

 

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Either I'm missing something or that page contains no stats at all about speeding causing deaths

 

It says that over 3000 deaths or serious injuries were caused by speeding in 2013.

 

No it doesn't. It says speed was a factor which is a totally different thing to speeding. If it foggy and I am doing 40mph n a 60mph road it will be recorded that speed was a factor. If I approach a sharp left hand bend at 50mph n a 60mph road (such as stores mill lane near cudworth) then speed would be a factor but I wasn't speeding.

It is wrong to claim that excessive speed and speeding are the same thing because they aren't

 

Why is your horse high? Mine sticks to booze only these days after that lost weekend with Pete Doherty

 

I disagree, I think you're splitting hairs mate. It's all part of the same problem, driving too fast for the conditions is speeding as far as I'm concerned and driving at 40 mph in a street where there are many parked cars etc is dangerous whether the speed limit is 30 or 40. Speed limits and "traffic calming measures" were only introduced in the first place to prevent a minority of idiots making the roads dangerous for everyone else.

Maybe you're just trying to justify your own offending?

I've been done for speeding twice and both times I fully accept that I was in the wrong and have properly tried to modify my behaviour.

If you really want to drive fast, there are plenty of driving experience places on old airfields etc where you can do it - at a price. Just don't do it on our crowded and already dangerous roads.

I blame Jeremy Clarkson.

 

Nah, sorry. Speed and speeding are two different things and it is counter productive to argue that they are the same thing when they are not. By your logic addition and multiplication are the same thing because they both result in numbers getting bigger.

Ps, clean driving licence and I don't get off on driving fast so looks like you were wrong on that one as well

 

Rubbish. My logic is that the higher the speed, a) accidents are more likely and b) the consequences are worse.

Going round a bend at 40 which can only safely be negotiated at 30 is speeding even if technically the limit is 50. Similarly, driving at 70 in thick fog on a motorway, whilst technically within the law is speeding.

 

Is tbe horse still high or is it suffering from post rave comedown?

 

No it isn't speeding. It is using excess speed. You always fail to produce ANY statistics for SPEEDING causing deaths, nstead lying and pretending that excessive speed for conditions is the same thing.

Hers one year that I've found
2006
3201 deaths
325 deaths due to speeding
357 deaths due to excessive speed for conditions with the speed limit
560 deaths due to drink driving

 

It's in rehab

 

Neigh neigh neigh.

 

" mr wilks", sithi

 

Sorry mate but I have NEVER lied, merely expressed an opinion.

 

It isn't an opinion that speeding is the same as using excessive speed, it is a fact that they are different. when asked for statistics you produce fake statistics that are actually based on something else not on what you were asked for. You may say that isn't lying but I believe that deliberately claiming that statistics mean one thing when you know they don't is essentially lying.

 

One death due to speeding or excessive speed is one too many.

 

Of course it is and nobody has claimed otherwise but the fact remains that excessive speed is a different thing to speeding and until that is acknowledged the roads will not be as safe as they can be.
We often see TV adverts and campaigns aimed at reducing speeding but when did you last see one highlighting the dangers of excessive speed for the conditions despite the fact that this kills more people than speeding itself does?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. There should be education on both because both kill. I do remember a TV campaign aimed at slowing down in rain and fog but I don't recall seeing one recently. The matrix signs on motorways do still show warnings to slow down when visibility is poor. Most people adhere to the advice but you still get the usual maniacs flying past you at ridiculous speeds.