Disgusted in Jeremy Corbyn

I would suggest he would have been slated if he failed to mention it, he has had these views for a long time, maybe, just maybe people will listen to him this time & not denounce him as they usually do.

 

Sorry it is a fact because people said before the war that it would spread terror around the globe including ourselves and it has happened. Cause & Effect. Indeed, the fact it is in other places, proves the point. We are clearly more of a target because we played a leading part in that. Frankly your words are the dangerous ones because they normalise our government behaviour and move any of the blame away. But maybe you think the head of MI5 is "dangerous" ?

 

It's you trying to score a political point. If you don't want to vote labour then don't. Hope you reap what you sow.

You cannot seriously think that Jeremy Corbyn has not condemned the wars abroad and/or linked them to terrorist atrocities in Paris, London, anywhere. Ridiculous.

The general election is in less than two weeks. It isn't Jeremy Corbyn's fault. He didn't call the election - or blow up Manchester arena. Of course it is of political relevance - would you expect him not to offer any response?

The deaths of people are not being profited on for political gain here - he is simply pointing out that under a government led by him he would reverse spending cuts on policing and take a different approach on foreign policy. This is not new. It's not a change in approach after the event. Their published manifesto contains the increased police funding and the different approach to foreign affairs.

Watch the video above featuring the learned Mrs May. If any party and individual should be ashamed, I suggest you look at her and the tories. The woman is a tyrant and refuses to admit she's got it scandalously wrong.

There is also a video of an ex-policeman from Greater Manchester doing the rounds, who won community policeman of the year in 2010. I'll try and find it. He resigned in 2012 as community policing had been killed off due to drastic funding cuts and reduced police numbers. He warned the then Home Secretary that without community policing, police could only be reactive, not proactive. That she was risking the security of people and we'd end up with military manned streets. He too was accused of scare mongering. Scary how right he was - but hardly a shock that a professional, awarded to be the best by his peers, called out an issue and was right. But was ignored.

But yeah Corbyn is a *******... for being right all along. People call him terrorist supporting - but his approach of sitting and talking to Irish separatists was eventually adopted by government - and Mo Mowlam in particular - and led to peace. He never supported the IRA in what they did, he never condoned murder or blowing anything up. He just chose to try talk and find a solution which didn't involve mass death.

He has never altered in that regard



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We (and the USA) have only recently signed arms deals with Saudi Arabia, who are using some of the weapons in Yemen, and some are ending up with ISIS-like groups. Bin Laden was originally funded by the CIA. Both our government and the US government have the blood of innocent citizens on their hands as well as the armed combatants on both sides. Both governments seem to be bad at choosing sides in conflicts that really had nothing to do with them, and then shafting those we originally chose to help.

 

It's funny that all those years after the Iraq War you struggle to find anyone who will defend it, yet some who are old enough to remember cant seem to make the leap of logic and say "You know what, its made everyone less safe and has given a load of nut jobs a reason for jihad. It was a bad idea and we should change policy."

Just to be clear, explaining the reason behind something happening is NOT THE SAME as condoning it.

 

No I said it was not the only factor in radicalisation. There can be no justification for what happened on Monday night and for people to blame foreign policy is disgusting. So no I don't agree that you can just blame foreign policy for radicalisation and then just close the book.

 

You're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say

Then you say,

Which is it? If it's the latter you appear to be saying that UK Government policy should be free from reproach or blame for any decision it makes. Saying you think "it's disgusting", does not address the fact that even inside the very government structures that carried out these decisions believe it to be to blame. To add to the list, maybe you should read the CIA re: "Blowback".

What is being discussed here is common accepted knowledge.

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Who said anything about justification? An explanation is what is being sought - as uncomfortable and painful as the truth might be.

 

I'd urge anyone with a questioning open mind to go read on the House of Saud and it's relationships with Wahhabi radical Islam and how western leaders have fawned over them despite knowing that they were behind the funding which allowed 9/11 to take place. Go read about MI5 giving back the passports of known radicals so they could go fight with radical Islamic forces in Syria and Libya. Go read about how in desperation to overthrow the leaders of Libya and Syria the west has armed to the teeth the very same radical islamic groups with ties to ISIS that it claims it wants to destroy.

This is a hornets nest of ********, double standards and dangerous geo-political game playing that effects everyone. To not understand and attempt to change this is just condemning more people to death, wherever that may be.

 

No. The other month somebody drove a truck into a crowd in Sweden. Hardly horrible militarists. They've shot up shopping centres in Kenya and kidnapped schoolgirls in Nigeria. These people are lovely people, and they don't need a reason to act likes lovely people. Freeing the people of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan from tyranny was the right thing to do, even if some lovely people lash out. What kind of person would stand by and do nothing?

 

I don't think anyone has said to do nothing, what we are saying is that dropping indiscriminate bombs and fighting wars in these countries has not worked. Perhaps there are alternatives that could give us the same result with significantly less loss of life on all sides.

 

The kind of person who realises you are only going to make things worse. Which is what's happened.

QED.

 

No he isn't / They are, unfortunately.

 

Load of ******* ballacks.

Enjoy voting Tory

 

He's said it's PART OF THE CAUSE, not the only ONE

 

An excellent piece on that, here

 

Although I do agree with him (and I do not have a clue what the solution is) as soon as I heard he was going to say this I thought it was political suicide.

*Please ignore this post as I shouldn't really be posting in this thread.

 

This is a massive political issue and one that's he's correct about, of course he should be discussing it. This event has shamed Teresa May and the Tory stance on policing with the videos that have been coming out. Oh, and Corbyn was bang on about the Iraq war too.

 

In some ways it is. An element of society (usually not those directly affected by the attack) will demand revenge on the perpetrators. They want to see justice being done. Many of these are the same people that cheered the footage of laser-guided bombs in the Gulf Wars or demand to bring back hanging after a heinous crime. These people will be put off by his words, but at the same time, we need to have this debate.

The Conservatives have cut police, border force and armed forces numbers for the last 7 years, and in their manifesto is a pledge to control the internet. They already have the powers to put back doors into encrypted communications within the UK (although not yet the technical means). Will these actions prevent another tragedy like Monday, or make those people that are in a position to stop it happening less likely to be successful?

Will selling arms to Saudi Arabia and Turkey, or bombing Syria or Libya, or unconditionally supporting Israel, make attacks on the UK more likely or less likely in future?

With two weeks to an election, these important decisions need to be taken for the future of the country with a clear view of policies of each party and the potential ramifications of each policy.

 

As far as the current events go, The Telegraphy reports that the UK Police & Security Services failed to act on 5 different calls in reporting the would-be bomber.

Whether this was down to the cut in funds and police officers is open to question....

And a follow-up piece by the Independent.

 

I knew someone would say this. Corbyn is saying EXACTLY what I was thinking the other day. We have meddled too much in the affairs of other countries.