It's all very well blaming the club for selling players in January....

If this article can be believed he was offered a new deal six months before his current deal expired but even though we were desperate to keep him he it alleges he opted not to sign it.

Players move on for no other reason they can earn more brass elsewhere re- Marley Watkins Inverness CT to us, Bradshaw and Mallan to us etc. At the time their fans must have felt as gutted as we did when Conor Hourihane, James Bree, Mason Holgate , Alfie Mawson and him that went to the Fowls moved on. We are being naive if we think they moved on a whim in January.

Believe you and me they would all have been "tapped up" well before then and that was the motivating factor behind not putting pen to paper on a new deal. It's alright posting on twitter " Barnsley will always be in my heart" but Marley and Josh won't be pulling on that famous Red shirt come August. I'd put some dosh on that.

We don't know the budget Hecky has been given so at the moment until things change it looks like we could be signing burgeoning young talent, free transfers and loan players under twenty five. Unless Patrick Cryne makes some of the money generated from transfers and the Stones's sell on clause available, that cycle may have to continue ad infinitum and unfortunately as fans we have to accept that.

.http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/12/2...ane-rejects-barnsley-contract-celtic-glasgow/

 

I never said he didn't just had never seen a link to it posted and I don't buy the cornice. ... also someone must be telling porky's because Crynes interview says diffrent

 

So there we have it. The club says the players wouldn't sign contracts. A player says contracts were never offered.

We can all make our minds up regarding who we believe.

 

That is very interesting because he does not say that he offered a contract and nor does he say that they have refused to sign a contract. In fact he doesn't even say that the club have ever even discussed a contract with the players. All he says is that they will not sign one. Is that his opinion? Is it a guess? Is it a fact?

 

There's probably an element of truth in both versions. Both Conor and Cryne are telling people what they want to hear.


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Well in my opinion after hearing that I have concluded that the two are not different things.
I would sign a deal playing for Barnsley tomorrow if I was offered one but Patrick would be factually correct if he said Supertyke will not sign a contract with us. That doesn't mean I have turned one down it means I haven't been offered one

 

Semantics I suppose. Both might grammatically true but it would be more accurate to say SuperTyke will not be offered a contract, rather than SuperTyke refused to sign a new contract.

 

But Patrick didn't say that Conor refused to sign a new contract did he. He said he will not sign one. Can't sign what isn't offered.

 

Your probley right same with marley watkins I like marley but I didn't buy the whole "my head was turned by a premiership club" Marley's head was turned by watching his pals leave and triple their wages and thought I'll have some of that. Told the fans what we want to hear and will play against us next season.

 

He says they won't sign a contract. I have read what Conor is alleged to have said, without actually hearing him say it.

 

But what does 'Conor won't sign a new contract' mean
Does it mean that one has been offered and refused?
Does it mean that it is Patrick's belief that Conor wouldnt sign one because Patrick believes Conor's desires to play higher would stop him?
Does it mean Conor won't sign one because he won't be offered one?

We can all guess what he means,new can read into it what we want but what we can all say for certain is that at no point in that video did Patrick cryne say a contract had been offered.

 

Absolutely set in stone then

 

Conor is very specific in saying 'long term contract' so it's possible that there's an element of truth in both versions. Possibly players were sounded out about one year extensions rather than longer term contracts that might have been more appealing. They weren't interested in those soundings out but may have been in longer term contracts. We didn't explore those options for financial reasons offering long term contracts to untried Championship players may not have been thought to be the best idea. I don't know why it has to be one version or the other.


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If Patrick is well enough to attend another of these meetings, I hope everyone who is questioning this asks Patrick face to face.
If Patrick tells me, and I was at the meeting, that Conor & Sam won't sign a new contract with Barnsley and they don't sign a new contract, then I take that as proof he's telling the truth.

 

I haven't accused him of lying. He said they won't sign a contract. Did he say they have turned one down?

Personally I believe that the truth is something like this.
Conor signs for us and makes a big deal about telling Patrick what his ambitions are and where he wants to be after his contract at Barnsley finished. Knowing this Patrick is firmly of the belief that Conor won't sign a contract extension and so with the best intentions and not lying one bit when he is asked about Conors status Patrick legitimately says Conor won't sign a new contract. He doesn't say one has been offered because it hasn't because he honestly believes there a no point doing so.
Conor is later asked about it and genuinely says if one had been offered he MIGHT have signed one because well he might have done depending on what it was.

Nobody lying, nobody being sneaky with the truth

 

Yeah, you're probably right, old mate.

 

Does he need to?
I never said you were lying, nor am I saying Conor's lying, or has been inaccurately quoted.

 

Bugger i finished editing my post after you replied. Here is what I added

Personally I believe that the truth is something like this.
Conor signs for us and makes a big deal about telling Patrick what his ambitions are and where he wants to be after his contract at Barnsley finished. Knowing this Patrick is firmly of the belief that Conor won't sign a contract extension and so with the best intentions and not lying one bit when he is asked about Conors status Patrick legitimately says Conor won't sign a new contract. He doesn't say one has been offered because it hasn't because he honestly believes there a no point doing so.
Conor is later asked about it and genuinely says if one had been offered he MIGHT have signed one because well he might have done depending on what it was.

Nobody lying, nobody being sneaky with the truth.

What makes me think that is the tone in Patrick's voice when he answers the question. To me it is more of a ' look I'll be honest there's no point me offering him a contract because he won't sign one he's already told me he wants to play in the premiership's rather than a 'i offered him a contract and he turned it down'

 

Well, old mate, that certainly ticks all the boxes.
You're becoming the Father Brown of the BBS!

 

If you remember Conor when asked about his new contract said that talks were ongoing and " we'll have to see what happens."?
Conor and his agent might well have sat down with Paul and Patrick and as intimated in the article in my previous posting quite likely the agent would probably have had written offers already tucked into his briefcase from Celtic, Rangers and Villa. If he hadn't I wouldn't pay him any commission would you.? That's what agents do.

I would guess if a meeting ever took place once pleasantries had been exchanged Barnsley's maximum offer will have been put to the agent and Conor.
It obviously fell short of the deal Villa had put forward cos he's now plying his trade at Villa Park and sadly not at " the Shrine." that is of course if any offer was ever made by us because the other scenario is he'd already told the club he had made his mind up to move on.

Sadly players agents have become a scourge in the modern game as far a clubs are concerned.

The legendary Brian Clough once said " the only agent I knew was James Bond and he screwed women not Football Clubs."!
I have been reading some of his books and the three things that Cloughie absolutely detested were Leeds United , the Directors of the Clubs he managed and players agents in that order.