Has Corbyn done us all a service?

Depending on who you read/listen to, Jeremy Corbyn either represents the only way forward or is the antichrist. I started out deeply suspicious and still have reservations about some of his policies, and also about some of his closest colleagues/advisers. He'll need to do further work on reuniting Labour to take his success forward - which will require grace and humility on his part and on that of the moderates. But the success of his campaign and the appeal of his policies to many voters cannot be denied. The term 'younger voters' now probably encompasses those in their early thirties, who have struggled to obtain jobs appropriate to their qualifications and have been unable to get on the housing ladder. And Corbyn appears to have particularly appealed to that sector. He did not however get as far as achieving power.

But here's the thing. The Telegraph, Independent and Evening Standard all report that secret talks are going on between the Tories and Labour with a view to a shared approach to seek the type of jobs-friendly/business-friendly Brexit that Labour espoused during the campaign. The desire - shared by Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories apparently - is to shift the focus on to these areas and away from obsession with immigration. I share Red Rain's scepticism that Brexit may end up about what the EU is prepared to give us - especially in May's reduced state. But if our negotiations help achieve the so-called softer Brexit then Corbyn may yet have turn out to have helped us avoid the worst consequences of the disastrous Brexit decision. That will have been a service to the country whatever his future electoral fortunes.

 

Could be.

 

Cross party support is the only way forward now for Brexit negotiations, which can only be a good thing for the country.

 

Who's got the power to make these stuck up, toffee nosed dickheads work together?

 

The only problem that I have got with presenting a united front in our negotiations with Europe is this. The consequences of us leaving the EU are bound to be job losses, inflation, higher interest rates and a struggling economy. This will lead to a lowering standard of living for all. Why would Jeremy Corbyn wish to associate his party, and his party's future with those consequences. It is inevitable that the party that negotiates our exit from the EU will not see power again for a generation, just as the party in power for the banking crisis would not have, but for the arrival of something bigger. No matter how one eyed Mr Corbyn might seem, he will surely know this and he will surely not want his party anywhere near those negotiations.

 

However, Michael Gove on BBC after I posted impliedly acknowledged that this was what was happening. There are similarities in the parties' positions, but with Labour wanting the accent more on jobs and less on immigration. By consulting Labour, May lends them credence, so I'd suggest it's a risk worth taking.

 

I think the immigration thing is a red herring. We will have to have immigration, no matter what the voters in the referendum thought they were voting for. The bigger problem for me is that in spite of the fact that we import more from them than they do from us, how much we will be expected to pay for tariff free access to the EU markets. It could well be that our contribution to the EU is more than it is currently. At that point, the question is bound to be asked, so what have we gained from the exercise compared to our expectations at the time of the referendum. Being a remain voter, I find that hard to answer, but the Brexit side of the argument did seem to concentrate on putting the contribution to the EU into the NHS and reducing the number of people entering our country. I cannot for one moment believe that a certain Mr Farage will not point out the disparity between what was voted for, and what was achieved.

 

On the news this morning, the EU are looking to bring all Euro clearing transactions under their control (within the EU), which will be a loss to the Exchequer of somewhere upwards of £60bn per year in tax. The only surprise (to me) is that it took so long for them to announce this measure - it will more than make up for any loss in our contribution to the budget *and* give us a major kick where it matters to the Tories - big business and banking. If this does happen, then we are looking at significant job losses for this alone.

 

http://tuckered.co.uk/2017/05/14/brexit-i-*******-hate-that-word-ironically-it-sounds-like/

Put Malcolm Tucker in charge.

 

As far as Corbyn goes, he needs to show there's not only an economic case for increasing tax, but also a moral one. Take wealthy individuals and corporations with him, play to egos about how they can change society for the better rather than simply make profit for the sake of making profit. Explain that better public services mean healthier and better educated people for them to emply. No business wants a sick employee waitying 6 months for an appointment or operation. No business wants a derth of well educated potential employees.

 

If we had another vote on Brexit remain would win easily now we all know more about it.

 

The problem is that a portion of the country sees Brexit in an almost religious light. They are utterly convinced that it will be the answer to all their problems, from Muslim immigration to affordable housing, to the NHS and everything in between. There are people out there willing to take Brexit *at any cost*, and those are the ones that are most likely to be the worst affected by it.

 

How some people can say about losing future jobs cos of Brexit.... Wow that's a good en
As the fact that we have been in the EU for 40 years, and lost millions of jobs our economy on its arse with zero hour contract and food bank's escaped you're attention...
All while under the EU wing.. you see what is not there

 

I'd bet you'd be way... way off

 

Polls in March would say otherwise

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/

 

Looks like Labour might be healing their self inflicted wounds. Rumblings they are ready to " take on the Tories"
by bringing Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Caroline Flint, Dan Jarvis, Anna Eagle and even Ed Miliband into any new
Shadow Cabinet.

The Tory/DUP alliance is doomed to failure IMO. Any UK Government formally reliant on any Northern Irish party simply cannot be seen as the impartial honest broker it needs to be.

Without that integrity the Government will be a force of instability and the deal with the DUP has to be shelved surely.
It's akin to Uriah Rennie ( a closet Wednesday fan) taking charge of a Wendies v Reds derby with everyone expecting him to remain neutral.

 

A lot bang on about JC being the loony hippy terrorist sympathizer anti Christ that the media portray him to be...how far from the truth can that be. If you look back on social media away from the Tory press bile that gets spouted. Then the facts are there to see how far from this media image the man is. Search his records on his career the man sticks to his principles and cant be turned, hes a socialist through and through. Socialist what a dirty word to some its become..nothing in its make up that says you cant strive for wealth and attain the height you desire ...it does though promote the ideals of a equal society a notion that we all , no matter who you are should stop and think about....its about caring for others its about showing compassion and empathy towards a fellow earthling. Sit down for a moment and ask yourself this ....do you purposely leave your house and seek violence against others do you not when confronted with aggression first of all try to calm the situation by Talking and exhausting all reasonable lines of conversation. Do you not when seeing someone in distress offer assistance or do you just walk on by.
Do you not try to be tolerant of others no what their religious belief colour or creed.Do you not want a society where your children are safe to go out a society that looks after each other a society that is there for the greater good of all, a education system that give your children grandchildren a chance to attain the highest heights, a system that is equal to all and not just a privilege few.
A society that doesnt see people sleeping on the streets a society where food banks are cast to the history books. A health service that looks after its people and puts treatment before profits A transport system that is easy accessible that opens up all the country without having to take out a second mortgage the list is endless and so it should be...all for the good....as long as it benefits all.
Some will say rose coloured glasses hes away with the fairies hes living in dream land.....but dreams come true nothing is impossible if we all pull together for change ...Why should the few control and that is what it is CONTROL...control of the masses ...slaves to the masters when we can all rise up and vote in the changes we would all like to see
We have a chance to unite behind one man who has triggered something in the younger generation ..lets not waste this opportunity and let them down again as most generations do to the next in some why or other ...most leave school with the idea of conquering the world and becoming masters of our own destiny...reaching those dizzy heights...only to see obstacle after obstacle placed in our ways, some of us fail some of us succeed ...yes thats life and its harsh reality...but surly to goodness we should be trying collectively to remove those barriers and obstacles..not create mountains that our youngsters will struggle to climb.
I guess if you agree with the above you then like me you strive for a fairer society ..and are a socialist then again if you dont agree with the above ideals then in my opinion there must be something totally wrong with your thought pattern, whereby you dont want peace a better environment, a happy life free from the constraints of constant worry of some sort.....Lets start by making change and making Britain Great again...

 

the fella is a c--t, a total c--t, the biggest c--t that has ever lived, if he implemented everything he had promised it would cost a total of £280 billion, he`s away with the fairies just like his poxy party, he`d let everybody into the country, he did have one good value and that was he hated Europe and always voted against Europe, until he got the job as Labour leader then changed his mind and voted to stay in, so don`t say he sticks to his principles cos he doesn`t

 

What do you really think of him?