Farage Lying about Brexit costs....Again

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  1. Jimmy viz

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    The extreme leavers and extreme remainers seem to have more in common than they would admit. Peas from the same pod with no middle ground.


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    Or the economic collapse and impact on the lives styles of normal people. David Davis confirmed to the Brexit Select Committee that there would be tariffs of 30 to 40 percent on food if we revert to WTO rules. Which given the tories 'negotiation' skills seems quite likely.

    The EU is as democratic or undemocratic as any other parliament with MEPs elected by voters in the normal way.

    I'm not a fervent remainer I think there are more important immediate issues and things like TTIP are pretty draconian and would have a negative impact on our society. At the same time the economic cost of leaving cannot be understated.

    If Britain had employed the same rules on EU migration as say Belgium where you have to have employment etc within 3 months then we wouldn't be having this conversation. However we went for the cheap option because policing systems like that is an expensive business and rightly people became concerned.


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    Jimmy viz, Jul 22, 2017
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    Us 'joining' up with China and America is going to be vital if this car crash is going to work .

    People who don't want us to be controlled by 'Europe' are quite happy for us to be 'controlled' by US or China. They've got us over a barrel
     
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    Please don't quote James O'Brien on Brexit. He is one of the extreme remoaners that you referred to earlier. While he is very intelligent, articulate and can be very entertaining at times he makes me want to cut my ears off when he gets onto the subject of Brexit and the EU which unfortunately is quite frequent.
     
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    I'd agree with part of that. But his demolition of Wayne was pretty well done. Calm rational and factual. He is of course right that we chose not to impose restrictions on immigration that we were perfectly entitled to d under EU law and this as much as anything fermented Anti immigrant feeling.


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    There is no doubting that he has the skills to demolish people who don't have watertight facts and robust counterarguments particularly on subjects that he is passionate about - like Brexit.

    That said I often think he goes some way to undermining his own argument on Brexit because of his extreme view and fervent support of remaining.
     
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    As an article inbetweener I'd agree.


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    Out of interest which forms did we fill in to vote for Boris Johnson to run our foreign policies?
    Which forms did we fill in that gave Jeremy Hunt control of the NHS?
    When exactly did I elect the house of lords who have power to amend laws?
     
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    Maybe this is a better argument

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/dear-leavebugs-its-time-to-admit-your-mistake/


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    Apparently there are now over 43,000 reasons against Brexit. One for every job lost so far as a direct consequence of the Leave vote...
     
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    Pretty sure that describes the UK !!!
     
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    A bit disingenuous that JC. Not saying you are wrong in what Davis said but he was being backed into a corner by the pro- Euro chairman Hilary Benn. UK imports about 40% of its food from the European Union at present. and there is NO reason that food from EU once UK is free of CAP could not be replaced in part by by increased production and we could source more of our food from other countries in the medium to long term under separate trade agreements. In fact other sources closer to farming, state that vegetables and fruit would rise by 8% (bad enough) but a) headlining statements like 30-40% tariff would be taken by some as a 30-40% rise in prices which it isn't and b) there are factors such as crop failures due to drought, floods frost and snow which drive up prices and have a far greater impact on supply and demand and therefore prices paid by teh consumer than tariffs ever will.

    I take you point on TTIP though as it means Governments under the influence of and controlled by corporations (even more so than they already are)
     
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    I realise figures can be a minefield in the way they're interpreted but according to the ONS there are more people in work now than at any time since 1971 and the smallest unemployment rate since 1975, even quarter on quarter figures since the vote have shown an improvement .
     
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    Gig economy.

    Zero hours contracts.

    Benefit sanctions.
     
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    Jimmy viz, Jul 22, 2017
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    Tbf my 5 year old has a better grasp of most subjects than Farage
     
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