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  1. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    What?
     
    Conan Troutman, Sep 30, 2017
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    No, no. The positive supporters know we weren't good enough to make it. The positive supporters didn't believe in the manager and players enough. The negative supporters did. Work that one out perry.
     
    Conan Troutman, Sep 30, 2017
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    The players that helped us to do so well in the first half of last season and previously,and got fans believing we could seriously make another promotion push were part of the same plan that is being castigated by some, as the plan that is sending us backwards.
    Edit: I think we'll lose 3-1 today, me positive tha knows.
     
    Tarntyke, Sep 30, 2017
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  4. Red

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    We were 8th at half way through the season. Only the top two went up by right, the next 4 played off. So we had to get better results than two of the teams above us during the rest of the season simply to get into the play-offs. Then we had to win a match over 2 legs against a team in the top six and beat another at Wembley. The team we had then had weaknesses. There was little cover for injuries. I think it very unlikely that we would have made it, and certainly not the foregone conclusion that is indicated by Conan's comment. The up side of making it is that we would have had the Premier League dividend for at least 5 years. We did not have the players to compete in that division, so we would have needed a new team. That team would not have survived, for the reasons we are seeing this season. You change too many players, you spend half the season gelling. Most of the Premier League money is used to pay the promises in player wages that you made in the Premier League, so, as we saw last time, the Premier League golden dividend is not a guarantee, as we saw after our one and only visit. The down side of not selling the players was that they would have left anyway and we would have that we would have been £8m worse off. I am not the right man to calculate the odds, or the chances, you need Orsenkhat for that, but it is not a gamble that I would have taken, and it is a long way from the foregone conclusion that Conan has repeatedly portrayed it as.
     
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    Red Rain Well-Known Member

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    You know very well, what!
     
    Red Rain, Sep 30, 2017
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Just to refer to your post above - when have I ever even intimidated it was a foregone conclusion? Never I think you'll find is the answer to that.
     
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    "Could have been in the Premiership if he hadn't been ****** over by the plan."

    Well I suppose that sentence starts with could, so I have to grant you that. However, you have been repeating the allegation for so long now that it feels like an assumption. Why don't we get all doubt off the table? Would we have been in the Premiership if we had kept those players.... in your view? You either confirm that certainty, or you stop repeating the allegation.
     
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    The last time I attempted to comment on this subject, you told me "it's been done to death" and there was no point in going over old ground, or words to that effect. I actually agreed with that, so I shut up about it. Why are you allowed to continue going on and on about it but I have to shut up?
     
    Stahlrost, Sep 30, 2017
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    £8m worse off? Is that the figure you've attributed to Bree, Hourihane and Winnall? You need to halve that.
     
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    No one is stopping you from posting what you want? And in any case I think he's said the same in this thread.
     
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    A Yes or No would have sufficed.

    The money we got as parachute payments is eclipsed many times over now to Harold be worth talking about.

    We get more for being in the Championship now.
     
    Redstar, Sep 30, 2017
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    Agreed, no one is stopping me. Most of the time I enjoy the debate but it's frustrating to be told it's over, only to find it crops up again in other threads later.

    Anyway, I agree it's been done to death so I'll move on and hope we win this aft. You Reds!
     
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    Careful Stahlrost, you'll be accused of stalking him next. Just like I was yesterday.
     
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    A Yes or no would have sufficed, and who is Harold.
     
    Red Rain, Sep 30, 2017
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    Not doubting that but we wouldn't be signing him if we didn't think he could ever break through. I'm sure Jared Bird was a fair way off the first-team when he signed for us last summer and look at him now!
     
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    Auto-correct, for Harold read hardly
     
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    I'm afraid to tell you my memory is absolutely fine. I referred to 'players' and neither of the two players you mentioned were with us in 1996/97 so it must be your memory that's playing tricks. I just think that you're a self-righteous patronising lovely person tbh. Yours sincerely, one of the Millwall 690, on a train on the way back. The future's bright, the future's not Moncur!
     
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    He, and many others, have said it was POSSIBLE and worth going for it. That doesn't mean that they think it was 100% guaranteed no matter how much you think it means that
     
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    Win all sold himself
     
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    Fair point.
     
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