Between Jess Varnish and Eniola Aluko

You have to wonder how Fergie would have got on had half his first team got the titty lip out every time he gave a team talk.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/41939678

 

Yeah, how dare they speak up about mistreatment. They should keep quiet and get back in the kitchen...

 

Sorry, I'm no fan of political correctness gone mad but sport and especially football has a long way to go before joining the 21st century. There is STILL no gay footballer that dare come out in today's game. That's a poor reflection on the sport and us as fans.
Until we reach that point I don't think we can be slapping down those we might think over react on certain issues.

 

Why do they need to come out? It's f*ck all to do with anyone what their sexuality may be.

 

P.s. sorry if that sounds a bit sanctimonious

 

Individually it makes no difference, except it keeps the sport looking like it has a problem with gay men. 92 league clubs @ 20+ players per club = the best part of 2,000 professional players in England (not counting the non-leagues, etc), and the perception is that every single one of them is straight. Given that ~10% of men are estimated to be gay, then either 200 are keeping their sexuality very secret or gay men can't play football (but can manage Rugby and other pro sports).

 

I find it absolutely ludicrous that anyone should be made to feel in fear of revealing their sexuality. If one of our players revealed that he was gay then nothing would change in my opinion, his performances on the pitch would still be slated on here one week and praised the other.

Did you read the Carl Hoefkens interview that was heavily publicised recently? It appears from that, albeit solitary piece, that players are open about their sexuality with their fellow players.

 

I think the fact that few (if any) of Eniola Aluko's team mates have lined up in support of her speaks volumes. Much has been implied that she was a disruptive influence and not a team player. She seems to have used her legal expertise to make as much of the situation as she can.

Not for one moment am I condoning any racist, or sexist abuse she may have experienced, but why have none her teammates backed her up and denounced the manager.? Even the alleged 'Ebola' comment sounds like a bad and tasteless joke rather than an outright racist comment. Not being there though it is not fair to pass it off as an overreaction but single handedly EA seems to have destroyed what was a winning combination of manager and team at a single stroke.
It is like all this, "he touched my breast 20 years ago and it has ruined my life". My wife summed it up when she said, I would have given hima hard slap and told him to get off!!. In the 70's in miost cineams in teh land you would find load's of lads 'trying it on' on the back row of the cinema with their girlfriend and load of lads getting a lap for their 'efforts' . I know things have moved on but some of the claims and accusations flying around at the moment are a bit pathetic.

 

Pretty much agree with all you've said, apart from your use of the oft quoted over estimation of gay men. It's much closer to 3%.

 

What with all the people coming forward lately it makes me wonder if my old deputy head is panicking a bit. I've never met anyone as sexist in my life. He constantly made sexist 'jokes' and disparaging comments (within school) and made extremely inappropriate and uncomfortable comments on work social occasions (outside of school) towards female members of staff. As it happens, because most of the staff at the school were female the implications on promotion etc. were quite limited but the deputy and the head were both males and when we had one or two male staff for a year or so the deputy immediately became 'best friends' with them. He was ageist too, openly admitting to me and other young members of staff that he only sent young members of staff on management courses etc.

 

Isn't the difference here that the majority of claims are against someone who is older and in a position of power over them. Someone's boyfriend trying it on is very different to their senior (not necessarily as in their line manager but someone with more influence and clout in their area of business) trying it on.

 

It's not a case of needing to. Maybe it's something they'd feel better about. You know like being allowed to be themselves. Either way, should they need to or not, they certainly shouldn't be afraid to.

 

Attention seekers both

 

Why's that then?

 

Fans seem to be able to forgive rapists and murderers when it comes to playing for their team, so I don't see the big deal due to somebody's sexuality.

I think it's just typical of 2017 and someone is desperate to be offended by something that could or could not happen. I don't mean you!

 

Where does this end?

 

Like I said, I'm no lover of pc gone mad. It has gone too far in some cases. I just think football has a long way to go before it starts to write stuff off. There again, probably an argument for each case on it's merits and I can't really decide on the Aluko thing.

 

Question?? Did aluko start complaining about her treatment, before or after being dropped from the England squad?

From the odd occasion I watched her play for England, she reminded me of the selfish kid we all laiked with at school who wanted to keep hold of the ball and do it all themselves, run down blind alleys get robbed and stand hands on hips blaming everyone else bar them self. As we all know football is a team so she's not a big miss.

 

I'm hoping with people not being sexist/racist jerks.

 

The timing is completely irrelevant.