Brian Howard on radio Sheff.

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  1. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    I don't doubt they do. With slightly bigger gates and a bank balance of -£190m.
     
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    So, add the wages to the transfers and who's spent the most? not Burton.
     
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    All statistical analysis of football show that transfer fees are (in the most part) irrelevant the team that pays the highest wages in a particular league is more likely to succeed the one that pays the least most likely to fail. Overall wage spend accounts for just over 90 percent of success overall and 70 odd over a given season.

    Putting that aside. Us and Burton have similar budgets. They prioritised survival at all costs and spent their budget on wages for experienced pros to achieve this. We prioritised resale value above survival and invested ours in potential. Given the monies received we probably made a 15-20 million profit on transfers so little actual investment there.

    A 3 year contract on 10k gets your Alex Mowatt, Tom Bradshaw, George Moncur. Spend is the same.
     
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    I thought he said one of the lowest in the Championship and not THE lowest.
     
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    Why does it matter what Burton Albion are paying ? what difference does it make to us , surely the only thing what counts regarding Burton is that we finish above them & so far we have beaten them at their place & are above them in the league , I really cannot do with this obsession about what other clubs are paying , what I want are fair deals & contracts for Barnsley players & what happens at other clubs is their business
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Because generally you get what you pay for - so if they're paying higher wages you would expect and I stress the word expect that they would be signing better players. Surely that's bloody obvious to anyone.
     
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    It's more the fact that we lost players at the end of last season who, had we offered them a bit more (possibly akin to what Burton are paying some of their players), may have stayed.

    I agree that all that matters is we finish above them whatever either club are paying their staff.
     
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    Then and two others, presumably.
     
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    So if Burton are paying more than us & Bolton are allegedly paying such as Madine £10 k a week , how come they are currently below us in the table ? I know if you want quality , you have to pay for it but there is more to it than simply a cheque book
     
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    If you don’t think it matters read Soccernomics by Szymanski and Kupar. Excellent research on the subject covering wage data over a long period. It found no correlation between transfer fees paid and success but 90 odd percent correlation between wages paid and success or failure over a period of 5 years. Even in an individual year it correlates to 70 odd percent. You may in an individual season have exceptions but over time success or failure depends on wages.
     
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    Yes I understand that money always talks, but if it was all about a rich list , then it would go in order from 1 to 92 ( from rich to poor order ) & I for one am pleased to see that this sometimes gets turned upside down as it did when Leicester won the Prem
     
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    We all enjoy an underdog. Leicester manipulated the system racked up millions in debt whilst in the Championship and are in the top20 highest wage bills in world football.

    Can’t make your plans based on a 100/1 shot. I’m no gambler but I know that.
     
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    True , I am no stats man so don"t have the figures but I bet the Championship does not finish in order of 1 to 24 depending on each clubs wages budget , if it does , Sunderland & Birmingham have some catching up to do
     
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    We have a better manager. Will it be enough this year? Or the year after? Eventually, with the lowest budget you will be relegated. That's all there is to it.
     
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    Well thats it then , if thats all there is to it, its pointless debating it but please when discussing Championship budgets , parachute payments make it impossible to be a level playing field & surely thats a big factor in our league
     
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    Last season Newcastle (easily the highest wage bill) Brighton 3rd highest with debts of £180 million. Huddersfield kicked against the pricks though.
     
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    Burton and Bolton don't receive parachute payments. Do you think the team with the lowest budget will survive year after year?
     
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    Who's. is that the same as burton ffs, cousin of teams like burton?
     
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    Eventually teams with low budgets will struggle we all know that but should the teams with lowest budgets just throw the towel in or try & find a way to compete ? Otherwise we might as well all give up
     
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    We have given up to a degree. Survival is good enough has been the mantra for some time now.
     

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