Black Football Managers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42178440

See link, EFL wanting to adopt the 'Rooney Rule' to try & get more black managers into the top positions of football clubs.

Couldn't give two hoots what colour a manager is, providing he can do a job for my football club.

If a manager does well, he will get a better club, does worse, he will get the sack, no matter who he is.

Powell, Ince & Hasslebaink all spring to mind, 2 out of work & one with a club.

Surely the job should be given on ability & nothing else...

 

Agree on ability, but I think it's been found that black players don't get the chance to be coaches/managers in the first instance because they're black so don't even get that initial chance to prove themselves.

 

Exactly this. It's a shame that such rules are required to enable minority groups the opportunity, but it seems they are.

 

Weren't we one of the first clubs to have a black/non white manager??

 

The appointment of Viv Anderson was beaten by Keith Alexander at Lincoln by about a month or so as first "permanent" black manager in English football. Both were first in charge in the 1993/4 season.

Tony Collins (Rochdale) beat both by about 33 years, but he was player-manager and mostly forgotten about until fairly recently

 

No one from my family is in football management, not because they're being discriminated against, but because they're not good enough for the job. I did once apply for the England managers position but i wasn't selected for interview.

 

Jobs aren’t given on ability hence the problem.

 

Chris Hughton is a great manager. Brighton may have broken FFP rules to get promoted, but he did a great job at Newcastle & was unfairly sacked by that pillock of a chairman. Is doing well now to keep Brighton clear of the drop zone, where their budget is dwarfed by all than a few clubs.

 

Shame Viv wasn't cut out for management. Maybe expectation was too much. He was a phenomenal player & leader on the field. Set us up for Danny though...

 

I think they're saying that that's not the case in football and because that doesn't seem to be changing, they feel the need to impose the Rooney Rule. It's sad that there has to be such a rule but it does seem to make things fairer.

 

At the start of this season 33% of all players from the 4 divisions were from BAME heritage. How many managers? Not even a handful. Something's not right.

 

Have to agree. Black players were few & far between in UK leagues till the 90's, but that should have now fed into more black managers by now.

 

Its no secret that there is huge discrimination against minority groups in every walk of life in most countries.

There should have been a tipping point around 5-10 years ago when we started to see much more black players in teams in the 90s that were coming to retirement and possible coaching. But there are hardly any. Lots of managers from overseas mind you.

Increasing Russian and Chinese ownership probably isn't going to aid the cause for future Black Managers either.

It's a racist bigoted world we live in. Not what I want, but far too many of the other 9.odd billion seem to disagree with my liberal view.

 

There are two problems. The first one is getting an opportunity - which seems to be where a lot struggle - maybe lowering expectations might help. Just because you are a top player does not mean that you should automatically walk into a top management job. Drop down a few divisions and start at the lower leagues - possibly finish your career with a player-coach or player-manager role at one of the lower league/national league clubs. That is irrespective of your ethnic origin.

The other problem is the merry-go-round. We all know that Pulis will be back in a top two division job by season end, Allardyce is coming back at Everton, etc. A manager fails at a top club and gets a job at another top club - so less opportunity to move up.

 

Who are these black managers who've done their badges, have a bit of coaching experience, know for certain they are the best candidate, but despite this they keep getting turned down?

Must be loads of examples I imagine.

 

There's not many opportunities, because there's only 92 jobs available & like someone said earlier in the thread, there's a lot of recycling, ie Alladyce & Pardew, the recycling of Houghton would also be the case if he left Brighton, because he has a proven track record in senior or top level football & rightly so.

The problem is the opportunity for all people in football, young, up & coming academy players aren't given a chance, because football clubs need instant success, they can't wait for a player to get experience in games, the risk is too big & the same can be said of management.

Look at it from another angle, which black manager or retired player currently out of work should be considered for a managers role at any club, in 4 divisions? Also, should a black manager be given a job because of the colour of his skin, it has to go on ability surely??

There is a small number of candidates i admit, but is a rule of HAVING to interview a candidate, who hasn't the ability to carry out the role, the right way to go about this?

 

Maybe the likes of Rio Ferdinand or Joleon Lescott or John Terry or Steven Gerrard (examples of recent pros stepping down from their peak) should take a player-coach role at a lower club to learn the ropes rather than pick up a last payday when they are past their best, or join the coaching staff where they are to get the experience and knowledge needed to take on the role.

Perhaps the British football model of a "manager" is too far for many players to take on - they could be good coaches, or scouts, or dressing-room motivators, but taking on all those roles might be too much in one go.

 

Dodged a bullet there mate.

 

The actual impact of the Rooney rule isn't certain by any means. If you look at the people who have got head coaching positions in American football, they've previously shown fantastic ability in other coaching roles. Where are all the BAME candidates in football going to come from? I'd say that the issue is that the black players from the past decade or so, Dwight Yorke, Sol Campbell etc, think they should be offered a job just because of their name, same as Unsworth and Neville with the Everton job.

 

Hold on I’ve another view of this. Sky sports news are the channel that is continually broadcasting the lack of black managers and what should be done.
The station is on 24 hours a day and has 1 black presenter. Pot and kettle.