Jeremy Hunt's continuing quest to privatise the NHS

My good God if everything lived in your fantasy world it would be wonderful . Crack on with your popularist sound bites but the real world is slightly different. I presume you have posted your comments on both the Tory and labour web sites rather than a football forum .

 

Have you links for that load of tosh??

The mental health service has been decimated under the Tories over the past 7 years.


The Tories have wanted to get rid of the NHS for decades . Anyone who supports that obviously puts money over human life or well being.

 

"It is in this marketised environment that the predatory Virgin Care arm of Branson’s empire has thrived, as hospitals are pressured to overlook in-house NHS providers in favor of private healthcare companies. Currently, the firm is thought to hold well over £2 billion worth of contracts with our NHS.

But that is not enough for Branson. When the NHS in Surrey ran the tendering process for a contract to provide £82 million worth of children’s services – an expensive procedure forced on them by the Health and Social Care Act – it concluded that a consortium of mainly in-house NHS providers was best placed to provide the best care for patients."

The NHS awarded an NHS contract to NHS providers – arguably in the best interests of patients. Virgin Care, who bid against NHS providers for the contract, however, took issue with Surrey NHS bosses’ decision.

Virgin Care didn’t take their failure to win the contract as a judgement on the way they operated the services they already ran in Surrey. Instead, they stayed true to Richard Branson’s business motto of “failure is only the end if you decide to stop.” Branson’s healthcare firm didn’t stop. Instead, it rejected the Surrey’s conclusions and launched a bitter bid to sue our taxpayer-funded NHS.

That legal dispute was resolved out of court this week, with at least £328,000 being handed over to Virgin Care. The figure only came to light because Surrey Downs NHS, just one of the six Surrey Clinical Commissioning Groups Virgin Care were suing, accidentally published their ‘liability’ in the case. Well-informed campaigners close to the case assure me the full settlement is expected to cost taxpayers more than £2 million pounds.



https://leftfootforward.org/2017/12...but-the-tories-and-lib-dems-made-it-possible/

 

I think the bloke works in the NHS from what I've read but hey don't let that stop you cos obviously you know more .

 

Mines a a fantasy world but yours isn’t? Popularist FFS,That’s exactly what’s happening with right at the moment. I presume you too have posted your comments on both Tory and Labour websites rather than a football forum. I suppose you think anyone that challenges or opposes this shower of ***** of a Govt. or anything else they believe to be wrong doesn’t live in a real world?

 

A link?
Erm it's the business i've been in for over 20 years.
In Barnsley we had Cambian Oaks providing private long term inpatient services (up sheffield rd) Cambian is a large private healthcare provider for NHS mental health patients, please feel free to google it's extensive nationwide service. We've had 2 admissions this week from private hospitals: one from st Andrews private healthcare in Northampton (yes nhs patients from here are sent all over the country because there aren't enough beds). Had another admission from Cygnet healthcare in Harrogate ( again please feel free to google Cygnet, St Andrews, Priory group etc). Chesswold Park in Doncaster is a large mental hospital which houses nhs patients, please feel free to google.
I'm not arguing this provision is right and just: i love the nhs but we have patients sent all over the country, miles away from loved one's because we don't have enough beds.
So there's your evidence: get yourself to kendray hospital and have a chat with some of the staff who will happily explain how mental health inpatient services work in this country.

 

Instead let's give money to a man who has sued the NHS.

 

Mate I'm sure you do a great job. Lefties like me realise that some things are better run by small groups of people locally. Its a lot different to corporations profiting from healthcare as a whole.

 

One thing that has always rankled me is that he is overseeing one of the UK’s most important assets with either extreme incompetence or a brief to privatise.
Has he’s doing all this he has no thoughts towards the service providers or users who when using the service sees the user suffering ill health so making them vulnerable. He is safe in the knowledge though that life has provided him to a point where he will never require the service personally as I’m sure everything he requires is private!!!

 

I wonder if Brad Potts will be in the squad this aft? Bench maybe?

 

I agree i wish the nhs was equipped with providing services to all our mental health patients, people making momey from vulnerable people does not sit easy with me.

 

REALLY ????????
“Private health providers now have a strong foothold,” said Evans. “Billions of pounds-worth of opportunities to bid for NHS business are still being advertised, despite numerous failures and widespread criticism.”

Critics say that the sector’s continued success stands in sharp contrast to a long history of winning contracts, often by undercutting rival bids from NHS trusts, only to then hand back those that do not yield a profit or have them taken away because they have provided inadequate care.

The report details “a catalogue of failures” – dozens of examples of private firms taking over NHS services since 2012 but then abandoning them, either because they cost them too much to provide, or could not recruit enough staff, or went into administration – or, often, because of serious complaints about the quality of their service.

 

That’s not true. I have family working in the NHS. It is entirely different to 7 years ago. Massive strain on staff. 40,000 nurses posts they can’t fill. Selling more and more off to private companies who replace proper qualified staff with HCAs. The Conservatives are deliberately creating a crisis so they can say the NHS is failing and flog it to their mates.

 

Our existing general hospitals cannot cope with the increasing demands placed on them. The way to counter this is to build a whole load of new NHS hospitals, which would cost billions even before any health care is given. This is not going to happen is it?, particularly post brexit. I do not want private companies building and running new general hospitals but i can't see there being any other way out of this.
As i have previously pointed out private mental health hospitals have been fundamental to providing extensive inpatient services for nhs patients over the last 30 years: the NHS don't have enough beds. The NHS would have to build tens of new mental health hospitals to cater for the specialist requirements of many of it's patients.
It's not going to happen.

 

There are thousands of 'private' businesses trading within the NHS so in reality it's already been flogged . Main principles of the NHS are , to meet the needs of everyone and free at the point of delivery. It doesn't say owt about not allowing some privatisation . Wasn't it the Labour party that introduced the PFI ?

 

So your blaming the unions, are you on smack or something?

 

The Labour Party you keep harping on about we’re Blairite Labour which was basically a watered down Tory party IMO and like the Tories let down the most of the people of this country. ‘Some privatisation’ my arse, Its Privatising the NHS by piecemeal and the Tory lovely people are denying at the same time. You want to sit back and defend this,
And accuse people who oppose it of not living in a real world. I want to condem it and say it’s wrong and call for an end to itbecause amongst other things, it’s immoral and certainly isn’t working. The NHS is in Crisis but it’s ok because Tory loving corporates can make Countless millions from it regardless.

 

Quality contribution . No need really !
Happy New Year .

 

How the chuff can you blame the unions. No Need for what BTW?

 

Some fair points but my main point is that there was also corporate finance and privatisation swilling around the NHS during the Labour years . Its simply hypocritical to say there wasn'.t , and yes the NHS is in crisis but it has been for the last 30 years . Jeremy Hunt may well make a ******** of it but at least hes trying something different rather than just wanging more brass at it . Look at the definition of insanity and while your at it look who introduced PFI .