Unless we stay up...

Or better still, paid up.

 

Good managers can turn around results ie warnock with Rotherham this bloke I,m afraid he ain’t got a clue,like to see back of him.

 

You say that but I’d personally class Harry Redknapp as a decent manager. He kept Birmingham up last season but then spent a fortune, went on an appalling run and eventually got the boot.

Monk is similar. The opinion on whether he’s good or bad would probably be close to a 50/50 split.

I just don’t buy into this whole “he hasn’t got a clue” malarkey as it’s baseless, imo. Just look at the chances we’ve spurned and goals we’ve conceded since he arrived. It’s unreal and there’s absolutely nothing that he can do to change that.

 

In a few cases, yes

 

I do agree with that and it isn’t black and white but it’s players that win football games

9 times of 10 - better players will win the match

Games are so finel balances it’s often that little bit of quality that wins it

 

I judge a manager/coach on what i can see. And what I see is a borderline parody of Flitcroft after he'd achieved the great escape.... just that he has no favourites.

His selection process and the random nature of in a squad, not in a squad, in an 11 from nowhere, never seen again is hugely damaging. That approach creates division and aside from a couple, I genuinely don't believe people are giving there all. His interviews are often calamitous, and he doesn't seem to have cottoned on he's being mocked by interviewers.

That results are poor (maybe moderately better than before, but we've played much easier teams with some very winnable games and not picked up many points).

My biggest worry is we give him resource to shape what may be a little bit of his own team, and the potential money that could be frittered (even more). It was a brave appointment. A brave admission its not working should follow.

I agree he's on a hiding to nothing, but he's not helped himself at all either. Crazy and cringeworthy is fine, but its grim. His interview today was terrible. For the biggest must win game, the game in hand and probably the final bit of hope to cling to, he tells us Pinillos is coming in, players are tired, then that he'll manage in the premier league, he'll get "A" team promoted there, and he believes in himself.... repeat to fade.

the players have to take responsibility too. But it's not a case of finding one thing wrong and apportioning blame. Multiple things can all go wrong together ad they have. 3 poor transfer windows doesn't make Jose a poor coach for us. the previous coach departing doesn't either. The players failing to develop isn't all down to him either.

Erratic selections, head scratching tactics, players in the wrong position and the isolation of possible key players however, all do make him a poor fit.

He seems a decent guy, maybe in better times with better players he might be able to go a season, but what i've seen and experienced so far feels like another kick in the teeth in the most sapping and damaging season we've had for years, last relegation included.

 

Agree with a lot of that.

I think the players should have been talking responsibility for a long time but they have been allowed to hide behind “where they have come from” for too long as though it’s an excuse for a lack of effort which we have seen at times I think.

 

Disagree with that mate, although I disagree with just about everything written on here at the moment, so it's probably just me.

I don't think any other manager in the world would have won the Premier League title with Leicester's squad in 2016. I doubt there'd be many who could have got them in the top 6. I doubt there'd have been many managers who could have won us promotion with our squad in 97. 13 titles for Man Utd in 21 seasons for Ferguson, once he'd found his feet. They haven't won one since he left. I could go on giving examples of why I disagree all night to be honest. Doesn't make me right, but I can draw on a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence.

I disagree with a lot of the criticism aimed at Jose. I really like him as a person. But I also think he's the worst manager we've ever had by such a considerable distance that I can't measure it. I don't know how people don't see it, the team selections and substitutions are so appalling. But it's probably 'cos I'm a xenophobic Hecky loving racist or however the argument goes.

Like every other football supporter, I've disagreed with some decisions of every manager we've ever had. I'm an opinionated arsehole, but I've never before thought that they literally don't know what they're doing, that what they are doing is ******* mental (Even Mad Mel had a plan in that madness) and that it will, without doubt, lead us to surrender the lead, or surrender the advantage, or render us impotent when chasing the game, or generally **** us up.

Even when he got it right against Sheff Utd there were literally hundreds in the Ponty screaming for him to replace Isgrove, who could no longer run, for 10 minutes before he made the change. Sheff Utd scored in that time, with an attack from down our right, which everyone could see coming.

To substitute the injured Potts with a forward and put an exhausted Moncur, who doesn't track back at the best of times, into a central midfield two is beyond incompetence. Bolton quickly scored two. Of course they ******* did! Jesus Christ, how stupid are you?! It's just beyond explanation or rationalisation.

Players come in to the team, completely out of the cold, not even in the squad in previous games, they make a mistake and they're subbed, gone, never to be seen again. Yiadom plays well, then he's dropped, then he's back in the side, then he's dropped. Presumably the manager doesn't think our full backs can play back to back games, but no, because then he plays him three times in a week. So why was he dropping our best player before? We're told there's no real place for Isgrove and Hammill as we don't play with wingers. Then we play the same system with one winger in the team and three of them on the bench! THREE! When we don't play wingers. Even if we did we still don't need three of the *******. It's lunacy.

The squad isn't up to it at this level at this time, almost everyone can see that. But a good manager will still get the best out of what he's got, not throw them to the lions.

I'd rather go out for a drink with Jose than any other manager we've ever had (not that he'd want to with me after this, or at any other time come to that). I like going out for a drink with my mates, but I wouldn't want any of them managing Barnsley FC either.

 

You can have a good manager in the wrong place at the wrong time. E.g. Roberto Martinez, last seen over here getting the sack at Everton...... and might just win the World Cup when you look at his squad. And don't even get started on Carvalhal!

 

Yep fair point I think I was expressing it wrongly.

I’m not saying that managers have no influence or even little influence on the team, that would be totally wrong - I just think it is all too easy to blame the manager and not look at the quality of the players. We have recruited really poorly and the decision not to offer enhanced contracts to hourihane Roberts scowen Watkins was a bad one.

Our budget and therefore, chances are, our squad quality are bottom 3

So aren’t we just about where we should be.

For what it’s worth I totally share your view on Jose. He seems barmy, has made some odd choices and was a barmy choice by our CEO who has a lot to answer for in my opinion.

 

I don't blame Jose for the position we're in, but equally, I really don't expect any success if we keep him, whichever division we find ourselves in. I expect lots and lots of failure. I think it would be folly to go in to next season with him in charge. I don't understand the rationale that he deserves a chance. Why? Because we gave him the job? We employed you, so you deserve a chance. Well no, you deserve a chance if in the time you have been in our employ you've shown you're capable of taking us forward, not just because you happen to be here. We made a complete balls up employing you, therefore you deserve a chance. Makes no sense to me. I haven't yet read a genuine argument regarding his ability, just that it's not his fault we're so bad.

We sold all our best players, we weren't proactive enough, early enough in tying them down to longer improved contracts. We've recruited terribly, seemingly buying players who we believed would have future resale value rather than complimentary strengths in order to build a cohesive team. Jose isn't to blame for any of that. But him not being at fault for the mess the club have made after being in such a wonderful position with a terrific squad and money in the bank does not make Jose a good manager.

It's all opinion this, and mine is worth nothing, but for those that disagree, and I'm sure there are many, I'd like to hear why you think Jose is a good manager, not why you believe it's not his fault.

 

Best post I’ve read on here in ages. Agree with it all

 

Forgot that I'd not replied but then I've read what Jay has written and it's more articulate than I could ever hope to write. It also sums up my thoughts exactly and answered every single one of your condescending points.

He's covered the baffling substituions. He's covered the chopping and changing and scapegoating of players. He covered the players our of position in a wonderful post the other week showing all of McBurnie's goals.

As for your in the know lack of discipline response above - it may or may not happen. But as as someone who is not in the know, this is the first time it's become public knowledge that two players were jousting. Or whatever Jose said they were doing.

A few questions for you?

1 - How many leads have we surrendered during his 12 games in charge?

2 - How many times has he completely dropped a player from the matchday squad for seemingly no reason?

3 - Conversely, how many times has he plucked someone out of nowhere and 'Millsed' them into the starting line up?

4 - Why do you think he is the right man for the job?

Jose Morais has no idea what he's doing.

Edit - And try not to answer in the 'absolutely awful' posting style as Red Army Chris. It kind of gives the game away.

 

I'm not blaming Jose for relegation, if it happens. It was a tough ask with this squad.

His remit surely though was to keep us up. If he fails in that goal one has to ask the question whether he is the man to rebuild & to take us back up next season. That is where I'm unconvinced. Maybe that's unfair, but I think we need someone who can get the team winning dirty when needed. Both under Hecky & Jose we have been too naive. This is partially due to the age of the players & their lack of experience. All these things need looking at if we go down.

 

Jose’s working with a much better squad. That’s a fact.

McBurnie & Moore alone give us so many more options but on top of that Gardner was available only once before December, Isgrove, Pinnock & Cavare were barely available before Christmas time as well.

I’m not saying the squads great or anything because it’s still probably a bottom 8 squad but it’s vastly improved from what we had pre-January.

Any manager should be expected to get more points.

 

All fair points

Except Gardner is pap, Cavare is a loon, Isgrove is unreliable and injured. Pinnock has also been injured again.

Moore is hit and miss if we are honest.

So that leaves McBurnie who has scored 8 goals. Don’t think we could have hoped or got better

Midfield still ****. Defence still shut. Keeper still ****

 

Totally agree HECKY put together a bag of *****, the worst i've seen, and i've bin coming since 1975. HECKY to blame for our demise and hecky alone. I also agree JOSE is not the man either, i aint got a clue who to get in, but current team, OH MY GOD WOT A BAG O'*****.

SEE TI ALL TNEET IN NOTTINGHAM

 

People also have to realise that if the manager does go and we appoint a new one in the summer,they will not know which players to let go or who to keep,then we are then back to square one.

 

Majority are in contract so I think it’s moot anyway.

Townsend and Hammill are the only two that spring to mind as being out of contract. I’d offer Hammill a new deal.

 

I know what you mean Redstar but you have to admit regardless of how long the contracts are for there is a lot of dead wood wants getting rid of.