It's not a gender pay gap

If you are comparing the take home pay of a part time worker with a full time worker or the take home pay of a senior position with hat of a junior position.

I wish people would stop using dodgy statistics to try to prove a point as it totally undermines the argument. Stick to the actual facts and compare like for like

 

Can’t wait for ladies to play five sets at Wimbledon . At the moment I’d say the men are getting the shitty end of the stick !

 

First benefits now gender pay... have you drawn up a list of controversial topics and are just working from the top? Next up:

- is it really that bad to 'black up'?
- abortion
- immigrants
- muslims
- tomorrow's daily mail front page

 

Let me guess how long you have researched this before posting this load of horse ****. Hmm... 2 minutes look at the Daily Express over tea & toast?

 

I don't read the daily express. I was commenting directly on take home pay of part time workers being compared with full time workers. The two do not indicate a gender pay gap they indicate that full time work pays more than part time.

I fully support equal pay for equal jobs but let's compare equal jobs not different jobs. Muddying the waters doesn't help the argument it just sows seeds of doubt and undermines the genuine cases

 

Who to believe academic researchers into pay inequality or some bloke on the Internet. Decisions. Decisions.

 

Fully agree. What worries me is that by comparing part time work with full time work and comparing people who have more experience with those who chose to take career breaks so have less experience is that it will lead to either women being paid ore than the equivalent man just to make the figures look better overall or even worse will lead to women being excluded from jobs because the employers won't pay them more for less experience.

Where I work technically there is a pay gap because the men by and large are all full time. 10 women share 8 jobs through their own personal choices to have families and work reduced hours. Anyone who looked at the take home pay would say men get paid more in reality both men and women are on minimum wage but the women chose to work less hours.
This isn't all the women in the company but is the majority (10 out of 12).
The owner of the company is a woman

 

So are you saying that apart time job and a full time job should take home the same wage?

The people conducting the research have an agenda, they make a living from it.

Over 30,000 men are NHS consultants, just 17,000 women are. Of course they are and should be paid more. That isn't a pay gap at all it's a simple fact that higher paid jobs should be higher paid than d regardless of gender.

Now the argument that women SHOULD be more easily able to reach the position of consultant is a perfectly valid argument but it isn't a pay gap, its a jobs gap.

 

It gets used too much these days tbh, big believer in same job same money, but still find it irritating when some minor ‘star’ starts bleating about the difference in them and somebody whose name has real ‘pull’

 

I’d refer you to the IFS report mentioned in this article. Pretty good on the issue.

https://www.ft.com/content/fccde92e-0817-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

 

You wouldn't be able to do a sneaky copy and paste of the article would you? It's behind a pay wall

 

What next?

Giving them the vote
Allowing them to drive
Letting them become vicars

World's gone mad.

 

It's definitely not the case in our trust. Our hospital manager is female and every ward manager is female. There are also more females than males in managerial positions (hordes of managerial positions with weird and wonderful titles but that's another issue). I love it when they say 'can you go up to picu 'cos there's a 7ft male built like giant haystacks who's kicking off and they need a male'. So sometimes i get my head kicked in because i'm a male. I can take the violence because it's part and parcel of working with people who are ill but i always smile when i get the call because i'm a male.

 

Of course women should be paid exactly the same as a man for doing exactly the same job however some of the reports that have been published exclude or don't fully consider relevant factors that can influence pay.

I watched a really good debate in regards of the exclusion of relevant factors. I will post it if I can find it.

 

That’s how this country works though. I work in the Public sector and when we went on strike to fight the cuts in our Pensions and other terms and condition, dear old Aunty Beeb, decided to ask the ‘general public’ about their pensions etc. Low and behold 2 interviews aired with a Coffee shop owner and a Market stall trader.

 

I think you mean qualified academic researchers and unqualified bloke on internet.

 

Why then, instead of starting another of your controversial two line tabloid posts don't you reference which report you are pontificating about.

I fully agree part time and full time work are different in loads of jobs. A lot of supply teachers for example earn more per hour than full time recruits, but they don't have holiday pay or guaranteed income.

Just bother to back up your arguments and I might take you seriously.

 

Here is is...
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/watch-gender-pay-gap-row-stella-creasy-vs-kate-andrews/