All these remoaners

Barnsley survived on EU intervention.... haha, really.. So we wouldn't have a town without the EU? Give over..
Why send the money to the EU for them to topslice the buget and send us our own cash back.. It was never EU money anyway, so yes the argument falls flat on it's face. We use our vote at the ballot box to speak out.. Labour have done nothing for Barnsley, Tories have done nothing.. Yet so many people keep voting Labour because they think they are somewhat interested in Barnsley. Barnsley if anything has been taken for granted more by Labour seeing us as a safe seat... If voters in Barnsley made the parliamentary seat a marginal seat, I think we would soon start to see both parties take more of an interest in how our town performs economically and socially. But that will never happen because of pit closures decades ago, again something the Labour government did nothing about when it got into power... Neither party offers anything for Barnlsey at present because it is such a safe Labour seat, and a Labour party under Corbyn will never win a general election, the numbers don't stack up...

 

So because you believe the current two main parties in the UK are not interested in Barnsley, you want to remove the only outside assistance the area is getting (and it is in the order of tens of millions/year for South Yorkshire) and replace it with nothing in the hope that this will make a new political party appear that will magically support Barnsley?

You might want to research how many jobs in the Barnsley area are on sites that were developed with EU money.

 

Actually you are fundamentally wrong about austerity.. It is EU policy for Austerity measures to be taken, try telling Greece that the EU isn't forcing them into Austerity..... As for EU accountability, this is being erroded year after year in the EU until they finally reach their goal of a United States of Europe. Just read the EU legislation and how it is evolving. Member countries VETO's are being removed slowly, replaced by a majority vote of member countries. So for instance they could force a future Labour left government down the autserity path because of the EU's economic policies, our government nor our people could do anything but suck it up. Once the EU army is in place (a case of when not if), again the EU will be able to send our young people to fight wars that maybe domestically we don't support simply because the VETO has gone and moved to the majority vote across the block.. Oh and by the way, the UK's rebate will be up for scrapping as well, again we will be powerless... In fact the EU's lead budget figurehead who happens to be German, confirmed the EU is in talks to scrap all rebates. Without that rebate if we had remained in the EU (close shave), the UK would become the largest net contributor ahead of Germany... Thank goodness we voted to leave.. As for anyone saying we want another vote, we haven't left yet !!, you have to give things a chance before you change your mind.... You don't have a general election and then call for another before term of parliament begins.. I as a leaver would have no problem in setting a referendum in 10 years to give us the choice of possibly rejoining the union. I'd be confident that given that period, our country would be prospering and the referendum will be landslide to stay out.

People also have to remember that sooner or later as the EU politicians keep telling us, we cannot be half in, half out of the EU. We must fall into line like good sheep, adopt the Euro and full fiscal rule of the EU. If they were not so devious and told us the truth that we have to ditch the pound in a few more years (otherwise we can't have certain benefits etc) the vote leave would again have been a landslide. I'd say that keeping sterling would be somewhere in the region of 7 or 8 to 1 in favour.

 

None because as I keep advising you. It was our money to begin with.. It was never the EU funding it..

 

Total dreamland about our future trading prospects. Unless you want a low wage economy with zero workers' rights. And who do you think will have the upper hand when we set up the arbitration bodies to oversee trade disputes as between us and the US or China? It's a high price to pay for a bit of jingoistic nonsense.

 

So Romans, Danes and Normans didn't settle here and the numbers moving here in the last 10 years are overwhelming compared to the last 200 years.

 

Greece was (and still is) an utter basket case. And rightly, all governments, the EU and the IMF (which was by far the biggest influence in the austerity measures) called for cuts there. Mainly because of complete lack of control and recording of expenditure, corruption on epic scales and even on personal levels with pensions of the dead still being collected. But that's by the by.

And British austerity was led by the UK coalition government, nobody else. To suggest otherwise is staggering at the least.

And frankly, why should a country get a rebate? I applaud the rebate being rescinded. And as much as I disliked Cameron, he did get agreement, now annulled that we would not be party to ever deepening union. Something that has always been at the heart of its policy. A good thing. I don't understand why so many people who have zero say in anything a government does, have an issue with the EU harmonising practices, laws and policies.

Did we give authority for the NHS to be privatised by stealth? Did we give a mandate for tax rises which are now seen as a given? No.

There is no way we'd join the Euro. There is no way we'd be part of an EU army, that's all alarmist Daily Mail speak. And as for waiting 10 years to "give things a chance".... really? Where in any modern civilisation is that planted in law?

Everyone has the given right to say they want something stopped that is catastrophic at any given time. The far right would have continued for leaving if the vote had been the mirror the other way with a miniscule majority. I see no reason to stop highlighting the sheer ridiculousness of losing all your major alliances in one fell swoop and having to wait 5-10 years to get worse relations in place, then realise its been a disaster.

Its interesting that all the things we so despise (and backed up by the leavers "negotiating") that they are eager to stay in large parts of the EU framework because they are beneficial.

I'm an ardent remainer and will continue to be. I have no issue with being part of a combined Europe. I have no issue paying into the EU and would gladly pay for dual citizenship. I travel regularly and there are constant examples of progression, inclusion and development all over Europe.

Instead of national service, we should encourage national EU travel to experience other cultures, other societies and other histories. Perhaps that may break down barriers that we're so much superior than the rest of the world.... when in reality, particular outside of London, we are far far from it.

 

We didn't invite them.

 

I think you live in another world already.

 

No and we didn't invite the present numbers the EU did.

 

The powers that be should have been happy with the common market they conned folk into in the 70's but no,they wanted a european parliament getting its hands on more and more power.....as for free movement of people,what they really meant was get the cheap labour from the old eastern block countries so they can start distributing goods made in the far east,goods that used to be made here in our own factories,the very same factories(and steelworks,and pits,and dockyards,and car plants) that were sold down the river after being told the common market would bring them untold wealth and security...Manufacturing gone , replaced by distribution..of course,non of this is the fault of the eu...ask the french,spanish and belgian miners who they lay the blame with,the destruction of the strong unions wasnt just thatchers babby,

 

Absolutely zero foundation to that claim. Look how effective the mighty EU were when the US imposed tariffs.. Total dreamland if you think that stating in the EU is good thing for the interests of our country.. As they become more entwined politically, we probably will end up not bothering electing a UK parliament because they have zero power. Or Italian judges overseeeing our laws when they fundamentally do not understand the fabric or feeling within this country.

Like I said in a previous post. Why not call for a referendum in say 10 years... If people don't think brexit was a success then let the electorate decide after the stated period. A bit like a fixed term parliament.

What we can't have is the government folding to the will of the minorty and calling a referendum even before we have left the EU. That will just undermine our negotations, the EU will just offer the worst possible deal. Plus if remain won, we would just have calls for another referendum from leave... That's why the original decision has to stand and given some time first. Anything prior to leaving and giving time is just ridiculous and pandering to those who won't stop hankering on until they get their decision.

What would these people who are calling for a second referendum say if they had one and won.. but then people who want to leave the EU called for another referendum (creating an endless loop)... I'll tell you what camp remain would say.. NO, the decision has been made for a generation, it is the will of the people.. So that being said, without sounding like a broken record people who voted remain must I am afraid suck it up, give it time and assess at a later stage. As above after a set period (i said 10 yrs) then yes, ask the question again...

 

Yes you are, the World is bigger.

 

No they didn't. We agreed to free movement. You might want to try it, its a fantastic thing.

 

The population of the UK in 1800 was 11 million. It was 50 million by 1950. The population increased by nearly five times in 150 years, and has increased by 30% in the 70 years since then. The annual rate of population increase is around 0.6%. Another one using overwhelming to mean something it doesn't.

 

Will they throw in a free house, free healthcare and subsistence, no I thought not.

 

If it continues to increase at the present rate it Will eclipse your figures.

 

Couldn’t have put it better mesen your lot can’t see the wood for the trees

 

You're referring to asylum seekers which are stringently vetted and largely from outside the EU. You may have seen whats happening in other parts of the world where innocents are being murdered and maimed. You'll also be aware i'm sure, that overseas claimants of benefits are much less as a percentage of that population, than native brits.

Believe it or not the vast majority of EU citizens in the UK are working, spending their money, paying their taxes, paying their mortgages, contributing to society, and all they receive in thanks from the media is to be victimised and portrayed as unwelcome.

 

Seems the #GAMMONHEADS need to take a deep breath