Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Given how these threads tend to quickly descend into a **** storm, is it hardly surprising why?

People can't have a civilised debate on politics here without insults being thrown around. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong with this thread but doubt it.

 

This bothers me as I advised people of that in the lead up to it but I feel I was misled and so in turn misled them. I know some people who voted leave said that they did so as a way of indicating that they would be interested in seeing what a plan to leave might look like and believed that voting remain would mean that leaving would never be discussed, they didn't think it would mean that Article 50 would be immediately triggered with no planning in place at all. I also know some people who didn't vote for the same reason as @Jimmy cricket said, they felt that they didn't have enough information and so didn't think they could add anything to the discussion. Had they known it would have been made legally binding and this was to be the aftermath they'd have voted remain. I voted remain but was under the impression that the vote was to get a general idea of the feeling of the public and then discussions would happen based on the general opinion, not that we would sign Article 50 before any discussions happened.

 

Isn't that the same with every thread whether it's BFC or politics?

Don't think there is anything wrong with asking people to explain the reasons for their thinking.

 

SkyNews are going all out today telling us that we have changed our mind on Brexit. So it must be true

 

I still support Brexit on the whole, I knew at the time that there would be short-term hardship, uncertainty is always negative, however I voted for Brexit for the sake of Britain 40 years from now. I didn't want ever-closer union with the EU. The EU are not our friends. Tusk and Juncker are nasty little imperialists, determined to punish us for not wanting to be part of their club. We allowed ourselves to be bullied into invoking article 50 (Farage and co are just as culpable on this), before we had a real plan.

Long term, I hope this will create opportunity for this country. I hope we invest in industry and technology, and move away from the service economy that we've become. I look forward to us making new relationships with the rest of the world, and improving upon old relationships with countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA.

I think there's a lot of fear-mongering from remain voters, and people like Gary Linekar. The bottom is not going to fall out, Britons are still going to have a quality of life superior to the vast majority of the rest of the world. People complain that "we didn't know what we were voting for", but what would we have been voting for if we stayed? What will the EU look like 20, 30, 40 years from now? Compare how it was in the 70's to how it is now. There's no certainty either way, at least on the outside we can make our own way.

 

You say leaving the EU will be a disaster, Micky. So you obviously know better than Crawford Falconer, who is the Chief Trade Negotiation Adviser at the Department of International Trade. He also was the UK's permanent representative at the WTO, and has 25 years' experience in international trade negotiations. Read what he thinks about leaving the EU in this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...resa-listen-aide-Crawford-Falcone-Brexit.html

Why anyone wants to remain in the EU after witnessing the arrogance of the EU negotiators is beyond me.

 

I take it you did not read my first post then Conan

 

I voted leave but I wouldn't be against a 2nd referendum. The main reason, the Leave campaign broke electoral laws on expenditure. That alone deserves a 2nd referendum. Also, Mrs. May and the rest of her pathetic party are making a right pigs ear of the negotiations. I also would welcome another snap general election.

 

Didn't say there was, but he made it clear he didn't want to debate it.

 

There isn't an option in the poll for me. I didn't vote, because I realised that both sides were telling lies and trying to manipulate people. I was also horrified at the blatant racism which was exposed by the campaign. I realise now that I made a terrible, terrible mistake which I'll regret for the rest of my life.

My answer to the poll would be "I didn't vote, but I should have voted remain". The entire issue has been a complete shambles from the start - call the bloody thing off.

 

Yes I read it. Your refusal to elaborate then led to my post. It's all abart opinions.

 

So why answer in the first place?

 

I couldn't make up my mind in the first place and still can't.

If the movers and shakers can't agree on it then there's little chance of me being able to make a judgement.

One things clear in my mind though. The country voted to get out, so the politicians that voted remain should now step aside, and allow the leavers, regardless of party allegiance, get their heads together and take it on.

 

Same as me, except I was working away (short notice so didn't get chance to arrange a postal vote) and didn't take the 5 hour round trip to vote. As I said on the day, voting Leave would be the only way to shut the likes of Farage up as they realise it is too difficult, too damaging and the benefits far too small.

Its very easy to stand at the side and say something is ****. Its a lot harder to try to come up with a good plan and follow it through.

 

Why anyone wants to remain in the UK after witnessing the arrogance of the UK negotiators is beyond me.

FIFY.

 

I voted remain and haven’t changed my mind but i think there should be another referendum due to what went off last time.
The reason I want a referendum is because now most of the facts have really come to light instead of the fake news from both sides.
If we have another ref I’d want us to implement whichever way it goes fully as these negotiations are so stupid that they are actually worse than staying in or coming out

 

I’d be interested to know how many Brexiteers would be in favour of Scottish independence, because I think the arguments for, and the consequences are quite similar.

 

Love the arrogance of EU negotiators line. You mean they know what they are doing which is to get the best deal for their members whilst our lot are beyond clueless

 

Never been comfortable with the EU superstate idea.
More i look into it the less i like it.

Would still vote to leave now.

The problem it seems at the moment youve got a government and the manderins behind the UKs negotiation.. messers robins and chums all appear to be eurphiles and dont seem to want to remove their heads from the trough.

Could argue that UK politics are riddled by people put forward to represent the country first yet prefer the ideals of the EU.

The talk of the Elite wanting the UK out of the club is a bit tenuous when you look at those who want to keep us in.

And anything Soros is involving his grubby paws in.... less said the better.

Ultimatley a trading block which is what originally put in place all those years ago would be a direction to go away from current and closer political union.

 

How, for you, is life in an EU-wide superstate better (consisting of 28 nations), or worse, than life in a UK-superstate (consisting of four nations). The only things that really affect you are the amount of tax you pay and the occasional law that affects your life. Not wanting to dig, but just trying to understand...