Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Tbh I think any new vote would be equally as farcical, some people have taken u barge at the attitude of the EU in the. Egotiations, some still want to remain, but Isuspect the biggest influence would be the voters who are so totally fed up of the whole thing they would vote remain just to chalk fk it on the whole episode and to just end the whole thing

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_the_United_Kingdom

No referendum if any kind even post legislative ones can ever be binding. As above no parliament can ever bind its successors and parliament will always be sovereign though a post legislative one would be pretty hard to deny. Not that I think that should stop Brexit. If that were the only issue. The vast range of criminal activity should mean a second ref is called.[/QUOTE]

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

Two sites with two different views on the legality. This one states they can be if the act states it. Irrespective the Brexit ref wasn't binding but it was overtaken by the election last year.

 

I cannot disagree.

 

I'm not sure that it's quite as one dimensional as to put it that way...but bearing in mind the moral debt I believe we owe historically to those former Empire countries, whether it be the larger ones...Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India or small islands in the West Indies, I think the effects on those countries should have been more considered at the time.

 

You want to have a look at some of the laws the MPs are sticking in place so their mosdemenours dont become public knowledge..

 

I assume your point is that being in the EU has done nothing to help them.

 

U.K. govts particularly this one have not helped them. The EU does not set U.K. govt policy unless you are suggesting that they should? Not something I can agree with you on but if that’s your view you are entitled to it. Even the most optimistic Brexit forecasts from leave organisations suggest there will be a negative economic impact. The poor will get poorer. But Farage and his stockbroker mates couldn’t give a toss about that.

 

Even now, the Home Office has been forcing ex-Empire subjects out of the country after destroying evidence of their arrival (at a time when it was perfectly legal for them to settle here as British). The list of atrocities and mistreatments against the citizens of Empire/Commonwealth countries is a long black mark against the UK. Many of the worst were under the rule of the Conservatives, although not all of them.

 

South Yorkshire is one of the 9 regions. The EU has given a lot of money to help this area - landscaping and redeveloping the old pits, improving infrastructure and creating jobs. Just think how bad it would be around here without that investment...

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/does-uk-have-poorest-regions-northern-europe/

 

Regardless, his claim is wrong. It is not the case that 9 of the 10 poorest regions in the EU are in the UK. It's 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in Northern Europe, which is basically France, Belgium, Germany and Holland. The rest of the EU has places that have worse poverty, including Spain, Italy, Portugal etc.

https://www.indy100.com/article/are...-northern-europe-really-in-the-uk--eJ0axHCqmx

 

If that were to be case which I very much doubt , then a second referendum would be justified by the reason of flimsy voting reasons to start with.
The reason people would vote remain is because now the real agendas of leave are being revealed

 

France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Austria and Luxembourg if you want to be pedantic.

 

But it doesn't really matter how other countries perform, surely Brexit is all about us. Now what is 'us'? Scotland will I'm sure have some different views on being part of the UK after the Brexit vote didn't suit their population. It was always interesting to see some of the poorer regions that benefited more from EU funding than our own Gov voted to leave. Another example that could indicate the voting public were unclear of the objectives, real impact and benefits.

One thing for sure, this government clearly don't have a plan to compensate for the investment that will disappear from regions, sectors, etc from their own coffers.

 

I did read an article the other week that suggested those areas most affected by austerity since 2010 were those most likely to vote Leave. The suggestion was that it was a "protest" vote against the government, and Cameron leading the Remain campaign, and those who were in most financial difficulty were most likely to vote to change things as they had least to lose.

 

Makes sense, but I guess they could lose most. I cant see anything from this Gov for regeneration projects. investment in industry to be more competitive with our former trading allies and creation of more higher paid jobs. They cant even manage the homeless crisis.

 

if it was a protest then it was a protest at successive governments and various policies as well as a protest at the eu full stop.tony blair promised us a referendum in 1997,(although the slimey b@sterd side stepped the issue by saying it wasnt written in their manifesto),blair knew there was huge resentment toward the political union and his statement helped labour gain votes,he even stated that the tories had been promising us a referendum but had failed to carry it through,likewise john major had made similar promises,this whole anti eu momentum has been gathering for decades,as for these suggestions about people in most financial difficulty being most likely to vote leave,its no more than another clutch of a straw to try and convince folk they didnt know what they were voting for,i know plenty of well off folk that voted leave,in fact most folk i know voted leave regardless of their income.
The labour party would gladly ignore the referendum result because,even though many of the leave votes highest percentages were in traditional labour held areas,the party is taking a calculated risk that come a general election these areas would still return big enough majorities to ensure they kept their parliamentary seats,imo they dont give a toss about the electorate and their feelings/thoughts.
I voted leave and would vote leave again,even tho i'm having to stockpile sweetcorn and paracetamol.

 

Its ok providing jobs if its the locals who getting the work...

 

You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

The jobs are there, if the locals don't want to work then that is an entirely different issue. We could argue that is down to lack of incentive (poor pay/loss of benefits), lack of qualification (poor education system) or lack of ambition or something else entirely, but most of those factors are within the remit of the British governments to solve.

 

there was hell on around here when Symphony opened that big warehouse down grimey,there were dozens of locals applying for work there in the build up to it opening but instead it was flooded with with overseas recruitment,ie eastern europeans,having said that it has been opened above ten years now and more locals have found work there.At the time i raised the issue with our mp because it had been opened,along with other parts of the park springs estate by Mr two Jags, now lord ,Prescott, with promises of jobs for locals to replace those lost at the pit the site was now built on,but like i say the recruitment agencies were literally bussing them in from eastern europe,i never got a answer as to why.