Second referendum

You do understand that we committed to funding projects many years ago that need paying for? Projects that benefit us directly too, Whatever money we give them isn’t just a figure they’ve decided to charge us.

 

I’m with the fella if he’s talking about the latter.

 

This sort of waffle is just amusing. Take Galileo. We have committed to long term funding. We also insisted on a stipulation barring any Non EU country from having access. Now we want them to override the conditions we put in place for investing and are surprised they hold us to what we insisted on. Comic genius.

 

What a condescending post. How many brain cells have you got then pal? I know people with law degrees, PhD's, BSc's and professors who voted leave so don't tar over 50% of the population as having one brain cell. What's in it for them? How about £38 billion a year, a trade difference of over £100 million and a gravy train for MEP's who do f*ck all for their exorbitant salaries. The EU is more corrupt than FIFA ever were and the lack of investment in the UK is proof we're not getting value for money. Go to any EU country and the investment and building is way greater than here (London apart). The odd warehouse here and there is not going to make up for the poor transport system and infrastructure. You can blame the Tories for that if you like but the EU are not the saviours you think they are. They are all in it for themselves and basically will shaft anyone if they think they can get away with it.

 

We pay a net contribution of approximately £9bn a year. Or, expressing it another way, 4.5 DUP bribes.

 

And that’s where the problem lies .
This is a Tory Brexit nothing more nothing less .
We were voting on supposedly a cross party consensus which all politicians could freely join whichever they or their constituents sude of the argument .
Once the **** hit the fan Farage, Camereon, et jumped ship because they didn’t want to deal with the real problems that came with the result of the referendum.
The Tory right wing with their puppet prime minister took over to imply their version of Brexit hence all the arguments .the referendum was fought on cross party grounds and the following negotiations were hijacked instead of a cross party negotiating team that would have calmed the political angst.
The fact that the Tories have hijacked negotiations and disenfranchised the rest of the country and other cross party leavers they imo have lost the right to act on our behalf and a second referendum with a transparent mandate with cross party consensus and cooperation including any negotiations should be implemented ASAP

 

the eu and its policies are also responsible for austerity and not just the tories

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-austerity-measures-driving-millions-into-poverty/

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-trouble-with-being-both-anti-austerity-and-pro-eu/

 

indeed we do,

we give them approx, £13,000,000,000 (after rebates) and receive approx 4,000,000,000,giving a net contribution of £9,000,000,000 annually


or expressing it another way,if any business man tried to forge ahead with this type of arrangement he would almost certainly be laughed at.

 

How do those very subjective spurious blog posts suggest that British lives have been adversely impacted more by the EU, than by Conservative austerity policy?

 

Not at all. Worth it for free movement alone. How much value are you getting per year for the £2bn going to the DUP?

 

Theres absolutely zero evidence in both those bullsh1t blogs to suggest the EU has created austerity.

And Greece ****** its own economy up on the back of the banking crisis, the EU bailed it out and put processes in place to get the money back and try to make sure Greece stablised itself.

 

fair enough,i trust you over the trade unions against the eu

 

Clues in the title.

 

who says the eu has caused more impact??????/ not me,i was simply pointing out the tories alone are not the sole reason for austerity

the following is a quote i've taken from the Oxford academic-The European Journal of Health

''Two broad options exist to achieve debt reduction: invest to promote economic growth and thus boost government revenues for debt repayment, or reduce government spending to free up revenue for debt repayment. The European Commission, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund (the so-called ‘troika’), along with leaders of many European nations, placed an explicit priority on the latter approach to deficit reduction. In theory, deficit reduction can be achieved by either raising taxes or reducing expenditure. When combined these activities are sometimes referred to as ‘fiscal consolidation’. In practice, the majority of deficit reduction policies (>80%) in Europe involved budget cuts rather than tax increases.2 Consequently, for coherence we refer to these policies as ‘austerity’.''

this clearly shows that there were other parties involved,ie,the european commision,european central bank and the IMF.

 

I thought it would be,how dare a trade union speak out against an organisation like the eu..

 

https://www.europeaninstitute.org/i...cial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu

this link explains the budget deficit rules according to the European Union’s Maastricht criteria

 

rubbish,free movement should not come with a price tag of 9 billion

The farce that is the deal with the DUP is another all together different subject and needs stopping because i see nothing in return for the 2 billion.

 

I'll ask again, what part did the EU have in Tory austerity policy? The answer you'll come to is zero.

 

When you consider we spent somewhere in the region of £47bn on "defence" last year... £9bn is small change for free movement, customs union and single market access and all the costs we'd have to pay for the institutions and legal infrastructures.

As a country we can waste a billion on a "national stadium" and gift a billion to west ham to run a stadium for nigh on free for 100 years.

£9bn is very very small change and when you start to consider the unquantifiable context of workforce contributing to taxes that wouldn't otherwise do so, uber quick JIT systems that would otherwise have waste entailed, easy of travel and subsequent cost, the wonderful push by the Eu to scrap roaming charges... so much benefit from being in the EU that sadly the government never decided to break out and outline... as then you start to understand its governments that make their people impoverished, not the EU.

 

the eu criteria for budget deficits have to be met by member states own governments,which influences a governments own spending,is that not clear enough for you,

so dont bother asking again