Extremist Labour Party policies

A little narked Andrew?

 

Corbyn won't talk to May because its a time wasting stunt ,you just have to see the embarrassed faces of sucker Politian's that fell for it coming out the meetings realising May has no intention of listening to them ,apparently in half the meetings she didn't even speak , to know Corbyn is spot on . As for the other stuff , the only former active member of the IRA chosen by a major party to contest an election is Maria Gatland (McGuire) .......Tory Councillor in Croydon......yes ACTIVE member of the IRA not peace campaigner

 

I'd consider myself to be on the left, and as far as I'm concerned Corbyn is a fairly mild social democrat, and the policies he espouses are pretty much centrist taken in a European context - they'd probably be to the right of many of the traditional social democratic Scandinavian parties, for example. Only somebody who buys completely into the thatcherite consensus that we have now could ever consider them to be radical.

 

1. Taking no deal off the table is a ridiculous way to negotiate. "Please give us more but if you don't we will just keep asking until we all get bored and stay" hmm, that's gonna scare them into action. On what basis is doing that giving us anything to negotiate with?

2. Extending article 50 is not a unilateral choice and we can't just keep expecting to extend it until we bore ourselves and them into some kind of deal. It requires the EU27 to universally agree to it and they have indicated that they won't just keep extending it so we can just keep on arguing infinitum. So in that sense, no deal cannot be taken off the table. Ultimately, the only way to stop no deal is to do a deal or revoke article 50 and stop the whole thing.

Corbyn, by suggesting May has to take no deal off the table as a precondition to talks, is just playing party politics with the biggest issue the country has faced in 70 years. If and when the impasse reaches the point where a general election becomes necessary, I believe the country will judge Labour unfavourably because of their lack of direction and game playing relating to brexit, quite apart from their other policies.

 

Are those actual Labour party policies ?

Both are only an option due to Tory party incompetence.

 

Amen to that - its regressive. And has been proved time and time again throughout modern history to reduce tax take. It is a policy that is more to do with political grandstanding than actually increasing the tax take.

Don't forget to add NI to that burden. The minute I fall into a tax bracket where each hour I work earns the government more money than it earns me is the point where I reduce the amount of work I do, to the detriment of both myself and the taxman. 50% of nowt is nowt.

 

This whole Brexit nightmare came from, and is sustained by, the Conservatives playing party politics. No future historian or political scientist is going to look at the antics of Cameron, Gove, Redwood, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, May, Leadsom, Fox, Davies et al and judge the Labour party to be at fault. That would be utterly insane. The Conservatives will be judged for this, as well they should .

 

Exactly right
Tories calling Corbyn for trying to extend the deadline when it was their incompetence that triggered it before any thought or plan and the arrogance that she could push her deal when she had already been told once by the electorate after she called for strong and stable that they didn’t have confidence in her .
A proper govt of the people would have turned to parliament for a cross party deal after that result but the arrogant so and so thought she could still push her agenda and all of a sudden it Corbyns fault .
The country took her majority away the Tories took her up a confidence vite parliament took her to a confidence vote and yet she’s still flaunting about like a crowned queen in cloud cuckoo land. And they have cheek to call labour wtf .

 

I can't let this go. You're blaming Labour for this whole debacle because they're not talking to the prime minister? They're in opposition. She's lost control of both wings of her own party. Conservatives are openly rebelling. She's just suffered the biggest defeat in parliamentary history. For the first time ever a ruling party has been found in contempt of Parliament. And May is supposed to have a majority! And, to top it all off, they started it - that we're even in this position is their fault!

And yet, after all that, you honestly think that this will go down in history as a stain on the reputation of the Labour party? That's not just mad, it's completely backflipping bananas.

 

Historians will no doubt judge that the whole thing was initiated because of Cameron trying to put the infighting about the EU within his party to bed, and that if his judgement was that the referendum would do the trick then he misjudged it. But the fact is that we are where are because after calling the vote for whatever his reasons were, in actual fact the majority of people who voted chose to agree with the euroskeptics.

But right now, if it comes to another election, that wont be at the forefront of people's minds. What they will assess, I think, is that the conservatives have made a right bloody mess of the negotiations, no doubt. But they will give credit to May for having a bloody impossible job and being a stayer. Those that still want Brexit will also see the tories as the only party that seem to want to deliver it.

This cross party talking is what should have happened from the start, along with no deal planning from day 1. But we are where we are and right now it needs everyone who can influence matters to get involved. Corbyn playing games at this stage will stick in people's minds and they won't forgive Labour for it.

In my opinion of course. Others may disagree.

 

ItsTory logic mate they are deluded you know they still think they are up in the polls despite the proof to the contrary.
The country told her they didn’t trust her when they took her majority af she had to go cap in hand to one of the most regressive parties in British politics just do she could carry on swanning about like a queen with no substance

 

Where have I said that I am blaming Labour for the whole thing?

 

The whole HoC voted overwhelmingly to accept that we could go ahead and trigger A50. As was pointed out last night on QT, that effectively means the HoC voted to accept that we left on 29 March, deal or no deal. Should have been pointed out at that stage, one would think.

 

Apologies - you think that the country will judge them. You might be right. It's still insane.

 

orobably so but I don’t think anybody expected to come back with a deal that united the whole HoC in stating it was such a shitty deal that it was voted down by both factions

 

The Tories are the scourge of this country. A plague. A disease. They've always been so, always will. A group of self-serving, self-centred takers who would rob you of your last penny if it helped them. No empathy whatsoever. Horrid people, horrid way of looking at the world.

In my 36 years on the planet I've learnt that it's not a pure Tory ability, to be that way out. Indeed, over the years, much of Labour's MP's are about as decent.

So that's why I find it utterly shameful that when the country, the world even, has got a politician in Corbyn who stands for everything that 'in my idealistic world' is right, is pilloried, castigated, condemned.

It's like folk enjoy the misery.

 

It's not Sunday.

But yes. Always narked by the sheer idiocy of the majority of humans I live amongst.

 

Only 36 years .
Ya just a pup .

 

I'm left of centre as you probably know, and a member of the Labour Party. I'm also a small businessperson. I think that McDonnell is a complete spoon, and is setting the Labour Party back years in the eyes of many voters. Corbyn's tw@tting around on Brexit isn't doing anybody any favours either.

 

But do you think he could ever win a majority?