Extremist Labour Party policies

Keep yr head up Andy. It’s not the majority.

 

Yes, though politically it would help if he ensured the Party stood on a platform of ‘Parliament is Sovereign’. I.e “vote for us and Parliament not only makes the decision on Brexit but I accept my party will campaign for continued EU membership.” As people have posted ad nausium on here, the idea of a yes/no vote on one of the most complex issues this country has ever faced is the most shameful abdication of responsibility in my lifetime. The question is whether Corbyn can bury is rather obvious distaste for the EU in favour of carrying out the (majority) wishes of the Party.

 

Party politics is a cross party activity , it’s not exclusive to labour whatsoever so if you think the neutrals will be taken in by that your mistaken imo.
As far as the Polls are concerned may I just remind you of the present incumbent at number ten who stated categorically that she wouldn’t call a snap election .
She had a majority but the polls were suggesting that she could get a landslide as the Tories were that far in front and everybody hated Corbyn .
Look what happened to her !!
I say bring it on this Govt is Morally bankrupt and no slurs on Corbyn are gonna fool the nation to elect this awful lieing devoid of ideas and compassion party back into number ten not even for all the votes in N Ireland . Be gone

 

When you look at this week's 'meaningful vote', May's 15 seat majority would not have left her any better placed. She knows that a no deal Brexit would wreck the country so she would still have been fighting Rees-Mogg's gang as well as the crazed DUP mob.

As for Labour, would any rational neutral observer not look with incredulity at a front bench that contains the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Gardiner while Benn and Cooper are sat behind them? The world has surely gone mad.

 

We don't want to leave without a deal and deep down the EU don't, as a no deal
doesn't benefit either party. May wants to keep the " no deal" option on the table as a bargaining
chip probably knowing under direction from her advisors, that it won't be a necessary option for her
to call upon. If she were to remove the "no deal option" now, it would affirm to the EU that no
further concessions need to be made ( if in fact there's any chance of that ever happening)
and that they definitely have got us by the "short and curlies".

 

I call extremist giving tax breaks to the rich in the time of a financial crisis. I call extremist making policies that drive more and more people to foodbanks. I call extremist starving the NHS of cash to help their friends in the Private Healthcare Sector. This is undoubtedly the worst Government we have ever had. I don't agree with Brexit but if it had been organised with any degree of efficiency it would be far more palatable. A Corbyn Government, or any Government would find it very difficult to do as rubbish a job as these have done in the last ten years.

 

That’s your personal prejudice not a reasoned assumption otherwise you’d see the precedents set by the last election where he was written off to the extent that the delusional may thought she would romp home with strong and stable .
It’s not just a no deal would wreck the country it’s another administration of this clueless self serving two hats that should really be our worry .

 

Have you ever been to Luxembourg?

 

Donny the E.U. have making plans for a no deal since 2017.

 

Obviously this.

 

There's nothing extreme or far right about Labour Party policies. They are centre left social democratic policies. The Norwegians aren't far left and Labour Policies are almost the same as Norway's. The problem we have had since Thatcher is people have been told so many times that Labour is far left that they believe it without checking for themselves. I have been trying to engage in conversation with a lady who can't name one Labour Party policy she disagrees with. But yet she says she disagrees with all them and that Labour are far left. She has been brainwashed by the MSM and the BBC. If I read the Labour Party Manifesto to her and told her it was the Tory on she would agree with 100% of it. The Tories have also moved to the right so there isn't the common centre ground we had in the 50-60s.

 

Interesting comments Marlon, much of which I agree with. I don't like the word 'prejudice' because I think that betokens an opinion not based on rational observation. My observation - which I hope is rational - is based upon my assessment of Corbyn in his conduct in office and his responses to events unfolding. I don't think Corbyn himself is a racist, a misogynist or an anti-Semite. However, he has demonstrated inadequate leadership in terms of willingness to confront those within his ranks who are displaying those tendencies. I am worried by his failure to speak out against Putin and his regime in the wake of the Shrewsbury poisonings. It is true to say that forensic proof of Russian involvement has not definitively emerged. However, the overwhelming circumstantial evidence points strongly to Russian government involvement, so much so that our European allies have rallied around our governmental censure of their activities. If you wait for forensic proof of every unlawful or unethical act which Russia undertakes you may have been destroyed while you are waiting.

Corbyn has made a series of tactical errors in recent weeks. When May's government were found in contempt of Parliament, he failed to press home the point. His first question on the day after the contempt finding should have been: "Does the Prime Minister wish to apologise for her government being found in contempt or does she refuse to accept the verdict of the House of Commons yesterday?" Either way, May loses and is diminished. His calling of the vote of no confidence in the government on Wednesday played straight in to May's hands. FFS she even invited him to lay it down. Did he not sense a trap? She knew, and everyone else knew that her government would win that vote. So the story about the worst government defeat in parliamentary history became the story about the government comfortably winning a vote of confidence. When he refused to enter into talks with May after Wednesday he downgraded any notion that he was in any way statesmanlike. Why could he not go and talk, put his case against 'no deal' (which looks like it will be side-lined by Parliament in any case) and speak about May's unreasonableness in the face of the obvious once he emerged? Why, even now is he trying to dodge the thrust of his party's policy on Brexit as expressed at the last Labour Conference?

Don't get me wrong, I would rejoice at anyone bringing down May and this wretched and incompetent government. But until Labour selects people with the requisite judgement and intelligence, I can't see that happening.

 

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In terms of VONC you would expect to need up to half a dozen before winning one. Callaghan survived 4 before succumbing to the 5th. I think it was good tactics to call tbe first one then. Showed the tories up who didn’t think she’s good enough to lead the Tory party 2 weeks ago but are happy for May to run the country for what they are liars and hypocrites

 

I don't know if you're right or wrong about the number of VONC needed. But do you think this is a time when Labour could afford to play such a long game? In any event the Lib Dems have already indicated that they would not support another Labour motion, making it even less likely to succeed.

As regards your second point, she actually won the VONC in her as Tory Leader.

 

Whose side are you on?

Fairness, equality & human rights, or the Tories. It is pretty simple. If you want to play personality politics maybe go with the bumbling oaf Boris.

 

Yeah I have, why??

 

How do you relate 'personality politics' to what I have posted? I'm not much interested in the personality of the Labour Leader, but much more interested in his/her judgement and intelligence, in so far as it affects their ability to be elected and thereby achieve some or all of their party's objectives.

 

You have just defined personality politics. The current Labour Party is the biggest party in the country in terms of members & they dictate policy, via votes at party conference.

 

So why is Corbyn reluctant to go down the lines of the party policy on Brexit as agreed at Conference?