Extremist Labour Party policies

I think there are two reasons. The first he is a closet brexiteer. The second is that many labour seats voted leave and as I read somewhere recently, most of the marginal seats they need to take from the Tories also voted leave. Add in that the party stood on a manifesto of delivering brexit at the last election and voted to invoke article 50, he has some difficulty

 

But the last Conference came after the 2017 general election, so which prevails?

 

As far as I understand the policy is.

No deal brexit is out.

General election ideal.

If not referendum.

A general election should work to some extent to align voters to a course of action. Our non proportional voting system is a problem & that is one of the biggest criticisms I could direct at Jez.

 

A general election ain't happening (viz, Lib Dems won't support a further VONC in government and the Tories are running scared of calling one) so why is he baulking at moving on to push a second referendum?

 

Ultimately the MPs were elected by the people who would doubtless say it was at least a factor in how they voted. I think it would be wrong for a party to overturn it's election manifesto mid parliament on such a pivotal issue.

 

Over a 100 Tory mps think May isn’t good enough to lead their party but they voted staying they believe she’s good enough to lead the country. People will remember that.

The LibDems are Tory enablers as the coalition showed. Luckily they are pretty irrelevant and canle wont be leader for too long.

 

A second Ref was an option outlined by conference not the option. It has much less support than the VONC did. About 100 MPs support it. Corbyn is reluctant because he knows it’s electoral suicide for Labour to be seen to be betraying democracy. Additionally there is no parliamentary time to hold it. May would set the question could be a choice between May deal and no deal. 2nd Ref campaign is run by discredited politicians that the public hates like Blair.

 

That’s fair enough and a common denominator in some people’s opinion if Corbyn .
Tbf I find on most posts I seem to be defending Corbyn the man rather than Labour Party policies of which I should really be championing .
As you’ve conceded in your post most of the hysteria perpetuated is just that and that’s what we should be focusing upon.
If your asking me is JC perfect we all know the answer is no as not one person is perfect and I also see some flaws in his personality but it’s not about JC and we all know it isn’t and this is where I’ve probably not concentrated as much as i should .
It’s about policy but because of the media it centres on individuals , policy on some of the electorate is second .
I personally totally disagree with JC on Brexit in fact massively disagree with him also other issues but he doesn’t dictate policy . We have basic policies in the Labour Party policies and principles as does all the other party’s .
It’s these principles that the voters should be concentrating on but without going into lectures of the media etc we all know what happens .
All I can say to people as yourself and others is look at the bigger picture . I personally had to endure Tony Blair ffs that was a massive stick in the throat for me to bear but I looked at the alternative and bore the burden and did the sensible thing .
I personally don’t think the country can take another administration of this god forsaken party the incompetence is staggering .
All I can say is look at the bigger picture Corbyn could last a year or five who knows but Labour Party is bigger than individuals .

Edit in answer to orsenkarts post . It’s not highlighted his post for some reason even though I clicked reply .apologies

 

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That’s correct dr138 and that’s why Corbyn should be following the party line .
I know it’s a cliche but your in the party for a reason and if you have personal reasons that are at odds you shouldn’t put yourself forward .
It’s hard because the party is fractured over this issue which it totally wasn’t till the referendum .’
But whatever the party and I don’t mean that in a totalitarian sense decides you should follow, leave or persuade otherwise without dictation.
MPs are in a privileged position as they are not beholden to our wishes but entrusted to vote for our benefit with or without our wishes and stand judgemented at elections .
I personally am torn with my party as I am a Remainer but the alternative of another administration of a Witless Tory premiership is a reminder.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-voters-with-stop-brexit-policy-poll-suggests

 

Well I wondered why you weren't mentioning its proximity to france, Germany and Belgium. It's high tax rates and high prices and impeccable public services. It's huge amounts of inward investments and vast numbers of banks.

And why you seem to think the EU sets individual company policy.

Ireland has many big businesses registered to apply management charges and evade tax. That's a corporate decision, not the EU setting individual country policy.

 

I don't doubt Luxembourgh is a fantastic place to live with a shed load of inward investment. It has recently decided all public transport should be free. How do you think it can afford this.? The EU dictates tax rates and budgets across Europe (it has recently vetoed Italys budget for example) but allows Luxembourg to tax large multinational companies 5.5 per cent on profits., A quarter of the EU average. Hence companies like eBay and Amazon export their profits to Luxembourg and cheat the UK taxpayer. Luxembourg is obviously swimming in money because 5.5 per cent of all European profits from such companies is a huge amount for a population half the size of Barnsley's, even allowing for the fact they kick some up to the EU admin budget. It's an offshore scam sponsored by the EU.

 

And of course it has a large number of banks. They are all crawling over each other to have head offices there so they can pay a quarter of the tax they would elsewhere

 

This may be contributing factor....one of the three scandals Juncker is enmeshed in.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...peans-despair-jean-claude-juncker-commission?

 

That quickly descended into subjective hyperbole that's spun one accurate fact and turned it into conspiracy. Ireland gained many businesses through low tax rates. Maybe there is a lesson there for a country? Has the EU set our vat rate? Has it set our income tax rate? Does it tell us how much NI has to be? Has it set the dividend tax rate? Has it set stamp duty thresholds? Has it set the rate of IHT? Of course not. This is one of the reasons a vote shouldn't have been brought, because one accurate piece of information is whipped into craziness and distorted that some people believe in totality to skew their opinion and influence their vote.

In next weeks series of the EU is the antichrist... we ask them where they were when JFK was shot, and out panel discuss where they are keeping Shergar to breed a race of superhorses and stop british horses ever winning again!

 

I take it given your response that your allegation of hyperbole was ironic. I would commend you to read the guardian article sadbrewer posted a link to. It contains a great quote I confess I had forgotten and is a good response to your conspiracy point:
"Everywhere do I perceive a certain conspiracy of rich men seeking their own advantage," wrote Sir Thomas More in 1516.

 

I gather you haven't responded to those multiple questions because it will highlight your hyperbolic position? Please tell me which of those taxes the EU set the rate for. Waiting in anticipation.

 

I have not claimed the EU have set any of our taxes. I have claimed that the EU have at the least aquiesced to Luxembourgh operating a tax regime which enables large multinational companies to avoid paying proper tax on their UK operations. You haven't responded to this original post. Read the guardian article then post a response. I don't think anybody could accuse the guardian of being pro-brexit, they are just telling it like it is.

 

Every government can set its own fiscal and taxation policies. Every business makes its own choices as to how it wants to operate, where it wants to operate and where it wants to pay its taxes. Ireland has benefitted from this greatly down the years, you seem not to be mentioning Ireland having operations for Apple, Microsoft and Google and generating huge management charges to offset UK taxation charges. The EU does not set taxes, to say it does is a blatant lie.

Companies choose to pay less tax if they can as it enables them to spend more on activities that can enable it to grow or share reward. This isn't an EU conspiracy. Its business taking decisions, and some countries wishing to benefit from that sentiment. The EU is not to blame for globalisation, however much some people wish to push this fear based mantra along with the other lies espoused.