Brexit - Labour to back 2nd referendum

And I have told you where to find them flowerpot..

 

The 2 things I thought at the beginning of the referendum was, Remain or Leave I will be financially worse off and secondly when seeing the politicians nail their colours to the mast and it wasnt on party lines I thought this wont end well.

The farce continues.

Someone who dunt reight give a chuff and aint wasting hot air.

 

Normal leaver attitude....

 

Normal remainer arrogance.. Works both ways petal.

 

"I can easily post videos" = "I can easily negotiate trade deals" etc....then hope someone else does it and blame them if they don't

There's your arrogance sweet cheeks.

 

"I have evidence."
"Show me it then."
"Find it yourself."

Pathetic.

 

I'll tell you what the biggest political betrayal in modern history is.
It's Cameron putting party before country and allowing the ill informed to make a decision they were never equipped to make.
A second referendum might just regain the status quo then you can have UKIP back and vote them into power if you want.

 

Absolutely this. I like the house-buying analogy. You've decided you're going to move and you find a house and area you really like, so put in an offer. Your survey and land-search then throws up all manner of problems with the house - structural issues, subsidence, history of flooding in the area, so you have to make a final decision about whether to go ahead. Are you, MDG, seriously suggesting that you'd buy a house without any sort of survey or checks or that if you did, you wouldn't want a final option to pull out of the purchase when they made for troubling reading? There is nothing MORE democratic than giving the public the final say on whether they like the look of the deal on offer.

 

i'll tell you why its a betrayal

its a betrayal because the whole brexit mess since the referendum has been stage managed by both the EU and our own government,in an effort to make leaving look as bad as they possibly can they have showered the media with stories of armegeddon,the political elite do not like the fact that the working class,particularly in the north have stuck two fingers up to the current status quo and between the eu,our own government and opposition, they are doing their utmost to keep us in.

the vote was cast and the people spoke and the majority want to leave,end of .. not lets see what they come up with in a couple of years time then have another vote,had the vote gone the other way then theres no way on earth would a second one be even considered.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/pulling-down-the-barriers-to-world-trade/

 

Italy s the big worry for me , too much debt to bail . Of course the games have started

https://euobserver.com/opinion/144255

Kind of an ironic story seen as though Germany are months off finishing Nord stream 2 ( direct gas pipeline from Russia to Germany which completely cuts out Ukraine from the market ) but of course no one will breathe a word .

 

So in one stroke you've conceded that a percentage voted to leave based on bigotry and a spurious idea that doing so would keep all the mooslims out and then claimed that there were some remainers who voted so for equally ridiculous reasons.
Seems like you've just proved that a significant portion of the electorate weren't fit to vote given their utter ignorance of the issues.
But your happy to continue with government dictated by ignorance. You must have loved it when Gove came out with his "I think we're all tired of listening to experts" corker.

 

On that basis, every time something changes in the EU protectionist state, we should have a referendum to check if we still want to remain or leave....
If the boot was on the other foot, cries for a re-run would equally be put down as ridiculous and we have to abide by the decision..

 

Most of them on the remain side probably lol.

 

So, effectively, you have no answer then.

 

I did mention this about 5-6 pages back

 

No, said by people saying why they had voted to remain, just like you could pick out looneys from those who voted to leave for ridiculous reasons. On the whole it evened itself out.. You can't seriously say that only people who were voting to leave were doing so for daft reasons...

You have quoted loads of quotes about the single market.... I've said we should have done a deal all along where we pay to be part of that little trading club like we did in the EEC. However, that must not compromise our ability to have an independent trade policy alongside. That is where the negotiation should have been focused..

Having said that, a comprehensive free trade agreement removing tariffs and customs checks for both goods and services is BETTER than the single market. It does leave us free as a nation to trade elsewhere on our agreed terms.

SO I can quite clearly see why Daniel Hannan quoted that. It is achievable...

If given the job of negotiating brexit my stance would have been fairly simple.. This is what Cameron should have pushed for, it would have avoided the vote to leave IMO...

1. Keep freedom of movement for travel & short term work purposes. Any permanent settlement, undergo streamlined checks.
2. Free trade agreement for goods and services, zero tariff basis and no additional customs checks.
3. Alignment of standards for good across to the EU. I've no problem with high standards, we normally lead the way in the EU anyway.
4. Halt any automatic adoption of EU law, that is a matter only for our parliament - Red line...
5. Our courts provide ultimate ruling, not the ECJ.

None of that rocket science. It should have been easy. EU needs to reform or it will crumble, yet they are unwilling.

 

No answer to what petal? You didn't ask any questions, just made assumptions and statements..