Brexit - Labour to back 2nd referendum

No that doesn't work, does it. I'm not saying you'd get your house surveyed and decide not to move, just that you wouldn't go ahead with that particular property. In the spirit of democracy, having chosen to leave, the public should get the right to choose how they want to depart and whether the outcome is what they voted for in the first place. All these people bleating about a 'betrayal of democracy' are so wide of the mark it's unreal. It's the polar opposite of that - an extension of the democratic process that started back in June 2016. And if you're right about the reasons why people voted to leave, then of course you should have every confidence that a second referendum will return an even bigger endorsement of us leaving the EU.

 

No matter how you try and dress it up, its is simply about trying to reverse the original decision.

Like I said, if the deal changes as being a member of the EU, we should then get the option to leave every single time. Like you quoted with the house, you find something else out, decide not to go ahead. Same applies with the EU then.

It's like the Lib Dems saying, we should have won the gen election, we demand another vote until we get that decision...

 

Paragraph 21, what a surprise.

 

Theresa May is married to Philip May, who works for a company with large Russ

The original referendum, which falls flatly on the hubris of Cameron, should always have been a specific plan for leaving. At the moment, the people voted to buy a house, but there are some that want a bungalow, some want a remote farmhouse, others want a small flat in the middle of a city and others still want different things. The problem now is that it was sold as all of those things, when in reality it was none of them and we are still pressing ahead. BTW it is costing the UK £800m/week to prepare for no deal. Imagine how many of the problems in the country could have been solved with that money.

 

"It costs £800 million a week to leave the EU, let's remain and fund the NHS instead"....get that on the side of a bus

 

Not sure who is bigging up going for no deal though..

Even so, the economists are unable to forecast accurately beyond the next month, constantly changing their minds. So how they can sum up 15 years in advance is creative to say the least. Remember how wrong they have been in the past. Same set of people who advocated the brilliant growth we would see from irresponsible lending that led to the financial crisis in the last decade.

It is right to keep the EU on alert by keeping no deal on the table, otherwise they just refuse to budge on inch. But people need to stop panicking, we won't ever leave on a no deal basis because it doesn't work for either the UK or EU. But you don't remove your best bargaining chip from the table.

It is exactly the same argument for no deal as it is with trident. We renewed it as a deterrent with no intention of ever using nuclear weapons, but it had to be there in the current climate. Same with no deal.

 

You are missing the point that the household in terms of brexit decide to leave in the referendum because they were not happy with the current arrangement with the house not offering any chance of being re-modelled from within to make it fit for purpose in the future. So, yes they still leave and work on a bright future from a different standing point.

 

And herein lies the problem. You could put that message in front of most people. The natural line is that will be paid into the NHS. If that were a marketing campaign iot would be pulled and the company fined for misleading information. But its ok to use weasel words to row back from it.

Typifies the leave "debate" really. No more needs saying.

 

Wow. Of all the thousands of words spoken, just on here relating to Brexit and in particular the remain position.... you think that is the sole thing people take exception to? Just wow.

 

Steady, far too much common sense there. Everyone knows we've had enough of surveyors and experts, project fear to say subsidence exists. You can just use some of the invisible fog we'll be able to afford from leaving the EU to prop the house up fine. It doesn't exist yet, but it'll be fine.

 

Sadly, at least a few million leavers really didn't like the thought of who may move next door to them... had nothing to do with the house!

 

Sadly when an area turns almost overnight into a Roma ghetto people will think like that.

Right laugh sheffield

 

My point is proven.

 

'We send the EU £350 million a week, let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave. Let's take back control' is what was written on the side of the bus. You are correct in that the slogan does not specify that the whole amount would be spent on the NHS but there is a massive inference by the linking, that it was implied and also how it was understood by most people.

 

Is this like the man who was interviewed in Doncaster and spoke about the thousands of Roma ruining Hexthorpe, but when the interviewer went to Hexthorpe the locals were just complaining about the council not collecting rubbish (both "natives" and Roma immigrants were complaining about the same things)?

Which parts of Sheffield explicitly are now ghettos?

 

Farage admitted he would call foul if the margin had been reversed.

 

Ever been through Page Hall in Sheff? Makes Barnsley look fantastic..

 

So why keep bringing it up? mmmm

 

Rees-Mogg was in favour of two referendums. One to vote to Leave, and one on the deal.