The UK Government Is Insane

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  1. tomaiba

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    The stupid reality is that adult users will be reticent to give these sites their id details and won't have the knowledge to know what to do to circumnavigate the barrier so will just have to stop using them.

    Under age tech savvy kids meanwhile, that the legislation is aimed at, will just use a VPN.

    It's quite depressing that it appears that our law makers don't understand the modern world.
     
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    There are two ways to show ID. You need proof of age to get it from a newsagents or DVD so why should the internet be different? Agreed that kids will.get round it but it makes it harder
     
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    What's wrong with parents being parents?
     
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    Nothing but all the government is doing is bringing the internet in line with the current laws.
     
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    My parents were great parents, but that didn't stop me going round to my mates to check out his *ahem* educational magazines.

    What's wrong with the government governing?
     
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    The government shouldn't be governing what adults do in private. No victim, no crime.
    Parents can easily put certain blocks on computers, schools and workplaces have it. This is another case of nanny state super powerful government.
     
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    This has been known about for months, possibly years within the industry. Plenty of robust discussion (mostly anti-) below along with more technical details:

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/28/age_check_adult_content_survey_unaware/

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/04/mindgeek_ageid_security_privacy_assessment/

    There are two basic problems - the first one is that it is easy to circumvent (VPN), and the second is that you have to trust a third party with your details. This puts you on a register of porn users somewhere. *That* is a prime target for hackers and anyone on it could be subject to public embarrassment or blackmail as a result. The law itself is also pretty crap, so a site has to have over a certain percentage of pornographic material to be covered. So the main sites are covered by the law, but sites like Twitter, Reddit, etc with plenty of dodgy content aren't.

    There is another issue with adult workers, who can currently create an account and work on certain sites (cam work, home-made videos, etc), who are going to be marginalized and may be subject to exploitation.

    There is also the issue of who and how material is classified. It is very easy for the scope to creep over time and something that is perfectly legal now being blocked in the future.
     
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    This is just one of MANY examples of the UK government over using its power. Sugar tax is one, the Labour party want to ban all fast food ads and stop stores and restaurants offering any kind of incentive to purchase.
     
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    All governments have always used their power in the public interest because it's in the public interest.
     
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    I put a site blocker on BT Hub blocking you tube.

    My 4 year old has found a way round.

    I can't find a way round it - but my 4 year old has....

    I am my Dad. He couldn't use the video recorder - I can't work out how the **** the internet works.


    What I dont' understand is why tech companies can't make stuff less complicated. Oh yes - it's because their interest is profit rather than the good - which is why we need govt. to apply common sense. And then we elect a bunch of corrupt tossers.
     
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    I can remember this government were saying that Britain was a nanny state under Labour. Well.. now its a nanny state with extra homeless people! Bargains :confused:
     
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    Our lawmakers do understand the modern world imo ,
    It’s when they make laws whilst in office they or their friends know how to undermine them when they go to a or start their own firm.
     
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    The kids will circumnavigate it by using a proxy server.... they do it in school to view stuff they shouldn’t, and lots do at home already.
     
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    It’s not the tech companies... the internet is everyone. Not just a few companies controlling it...
     
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    So kids are going to get around it,, making it a pointless law, but as long as it's difficult - ie a thirty second Google search then that's fine.

    The only laws that need bringing into line are ones concerning child neglect. If your daughter is looking at large quantities of self-harm content and you don't bother to check then you are responsible. People are happy (rightly or wrongly) to blame the McCanns for leaving their daughter alone, but treat the internet like a babysitter.
     
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    I think there is a big difference children looking on the intetnet and leaving a 3 year old in charge of 18 month old twins in an unlocked appartment it's against the law for under 18s to access pornography and the same checks need to be in place on the internet as in real life. Just ad a parent breeds to be vigilant in real life and the internet
     
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    I only need to read the thread title to say "I agree" ;)
     
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    Online self harm images is a peer to peer issue so way more complicated than your making out , especially if sent by encryption .
     
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    It is perfectly legal for two 16 year olds to engage in sexual activities. They can take pictures (or film) them engaging in said activities and that is illegal. If anyone else sees those pictures (or if one of the participants is over 18) then it is legally child abuse and one could find themselves on the sex offenders register.
     

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