OPEN YOUR MIND LAD where is the easyist deal in the world which could be done in an afternoon and would be a piece of cake ,because we hold all the cards and they need us more than we need them ,
The easiest deal in the world quote was a reference to the trade deal - negotiations on which haven't even been started yet. Why do you think the deal was done badly? How many negotiators resigning because they were'nt allowed to press home our advantage should tell you something about the nefarious influences over the negotiation. I think that tells me everything I need to know. I've taken the Red Pill sunshine.. Shame all the sheeple who've been mugged by the elite can't see the wood for the trees.
well if we ever get to negotiations on a trade deal ,I cant see it being the easyist deal in the world because we don't all the cards and they don't need us more than we need them and as for cake read humble pie. can you enlighten us about pressing home our advantage , glad you mentioned mugged by the elite ,because farage ,mogg, Johnson ,banks,dyson ,that lovely person from spoons are all outstanding ordinary multi millionaire Joes , telling us to leave for our own good ffs
So everyone who has a different opinion to you on brexit are sheep who have been mugged by the elite? It sounds more like it’s you who has been brainwashed. At the very least the arrogance is fresh given it is the people on the side of remain who are continuously called arrogant. The continuing mess which seems never ending is proof enough to me, like it needed proving in the first place, that having a referendum on this was possibly the worst political decision in generations. Leave or stay now, deal or no deal, we will be worse off than we were in the first place. I voted remain - but leave having won did present an opportunity for change and long term possibilities if it were managed properly. It wasn’t managed at all for eighteen months, with a joke of an attempt at sorting it in the last few months achieving nothing other than ridicule. The situation now is: a) leave without a deal - and no plan of how to manage this, and inept politicians devoid of a clue of how to do so. b) Leave with the deal ‘negotiated’ and keep many of the negatives of eu membership but few of the benefits c) Don’t leave at all. Possibly could be argued in the best interests of the public (of course a lot would disagree), though if they did that I think there is a real chance of civil unrest. An absolutely epic mess which will not be sorted. At the time of the referendum, there were arguments either way. A lot of the pro-leave arguments have been shown to be false, and so have some of the remain points. There’s no way of knowing how the vote would have gone had the referendum actually been done ethically and properly by both sides. The leave side are against a second referendum - for obvious reasons. I actually think leave would get a bigger majority second time around, but I do think that a second vote is worthwhile once it is properly known what brexit looks like. The fact we still don’t is a massive stain on the most inept government in my living memory.
Trade deals snag on standards - Chlorinated chicken ring any bells - rather than the deal itself. All our standards are the same as the EU already. What's to disagree on? They export more to us than we do to them. Ireland would be fecked without a trade deal to the UK. Not just a bit - the whole 9 yards (can you seriously imagine the french allowing the massive imports from France that we bring in....have you seen the **** going on in France at the minute - wait no you havne't the elite are keeping it from you..) So we have a lot of strengths in this negotiation which we could have exploited. Not least the balance of trade, Exit fees, Access to Ireland, The City. I can't really see what the EU offers us more than we offer them that coulnd't have been resolved in the last two years with a decent plan. But the plan was designed to fail from the start .[/QUOTE] Once more it seems the elite have convinced you to believe a bunch of puppets are actually the elite. And Dyson is a right red herring - how moving a small head office function to Singapore can be linked to Brexit is beyond me - and a clear demonstration of the gullibility of folk. Working mans wages are up. Only real thing I can see. There is a company where the MD's wife is and MP. The sales directors Dad is an MP. The owner is a Billionaire and makes donations to political parties. The company is suffering from higher staff wages - brought about by brexit, More expensive goods due to the currency leading to lower profits. But the staff are getting paid more. There was a report on the impact of brexit - negligable impact as long as everyone played ball and no Shenanigans. This was manipulated by the FD to massive risk of shortages... **** me - no influence form the elite and political classes to project fear there then.
I believe the EU are ready to let us go ,and to let us destroy ourselves by our own hands , the signs are there , they will only accept the deal that is now on the table, they have had enough of us, the UK is toxic as far as they are concerned and think Brexit is an incurable disease which they consider is best left to fester on its own , so that it will not infect the rest of the EU. I believe any goodwill or generosity from them as gone and they are politely going through the motions ,and cant wait for the 29th , Think about this, it only needs one member to veto this, Spain gibralta , France ,non ,one of the east European countries , Farage is doing the rounds calling and meeting politicians from all the EU countries to ask them to veto extending .I am sure he will find one that will accept a brown envelope stuffed with Aaron Banks filthy dosh to veto this . one out of 27 its called democracy .
No - I welcome debate - Just not misinformed debate. What's your opinion - can you back it up with experience or facts. Lets debate. By what - there hasn't been anything in the news to brainwash me. It's been two more years of project fear dressed up as facts. How the hell has anyone been brainwashed to leave for the last 2 years? Years of being told you're a stupid racist despite the facts might have an impact. Can't honestly I recognise this. All this we both agree on. Emphatically. We are so aligned on the core of your message here with the notable exception that "WE" the working classes should be better off and remain have been proven to be utter liars in that their predictions of disaster as they are in reality - even in this **** storm - no where to be seen. The negatives remain did predict were self fulfilling prophecies rather than impending inevitablitiies. I dont' blame Theresa May individually - I blame parliament as a whole especially - along with May I blame equally Angela Smith, Stephanie Peacock, Dan Jarvis and John Healy. We voted leave. They were sent back to parliament by the people of Barnsley on a manifesto and mandate to deliver it and they have cynically frustrated it. The cnuts.
trade deals do have to hinge on things like standards and chickens don't ring bells ,We may be able to agree this with the EU, but what you cant have is double standards , if we insist on keeping our present EU standards, where does this leave us when negotiating deals with say the USA who would insist on us accepting their standards, this as already been spoken of by the US ambassador to the EU, I am glad that you mention Ireland a country we have fecked for hundreds of years , don't worry about them ,they are already feeling the benefits of brexit ask rees mogg where he,s located to. and many others following suit , do you seriously believe threatening Ireland will alter the EU,s stance ,they will back Ireland don't worry about them , as for France yes I can seriously imagine what they will do, no deal brexit will save Macron because it will divert the yellow vests from their present protests to doing what they do best and that is fecking us English , no planes ,boats or trains , the officials and workers on the ground will have a field day with us , kent will be choked on diesel fumes , our supermarkets empty , it will be like what some leaver said on 5 live the other day quote .while ever there are rabbits in the fields and potatoes in the gardens we will get by .
Well yes you can. We can accept US chicken for domestic consumption - but for exports of chicken and chicken containing products would have to use domestic production not imported. It works like this all over the world - including Turkey which is inside the customs union on everything but agricultural products where they keep their own standards. I dont' know - but no one does. Just like chicken each commodity would have to be taken on it's own merits to the needs of the UK - rather than the needs of French farmers. The US ambassador has a small point - but not one that can't be overcome. No I'm not worried about the Irish. I'm not worried about anyone other than the British. I don't even care that much about people from Sheffield. It's the kids from Barnsley I'm bothered about. No - I believe that highlighting to the EU that the threats they make against us will by a consequence of their actions double the impact on Ireland. I beleive in taking Ireland with us - now there's a solution to the back stop - that would be my preference. Not going to happen, but its' a very workable solution. Okay - I admit I started to stretch the boundaries of fantasy by suggesting Ireland should exit the EU - but this is going a bit too far. Have you spoken to anyone French recently. I was with a few french folk yesterday - I don't think Brexit is going to save Macron. But the media is keeping all this from us given that it doesn't fit the current narrative. Well lets just agree to disagree on this one. The french port workers have never been a friend of the UK when in the EU so I guess there's no reason to suggest things will be any different in the future (whichever way it goes.) but of course now it will be becuase of brexit not becuase they are cntus. Remind me how Irish trucks get through to Europe again. And the company I work for won a massive customer the other day - a household name. Their current supplier is based in Ghent. Well done frech port workers. Brexit bonus.[/QUOTE]
Having had the referendum the top vote leavers walked away and relinquished any responsibilities, mainly to ready their personal financial interests and leave the people who cared about the consequences to shovel up their mess . The blame lies for this **** shambles lies squarely at vote leave who had no idea what it actually meant or how to deal with it . Even now they sit on the sidelines sneering and calling but without taking any responsibility case anyone investigates their financial stake in detail. They have no one to blame but themselves the fact remainers are at the forefront of this **** shower us because they care the most what happens to this country pre or pro Brexit . They walked away thinking job done and **** the consequences but by doing so should forfeit any say and it should go back to the people to tell them what they think of their selfishness and lies. Imo
I dont' blame Theresa May individually - I blame parliament as a whole especially - along with May I blame equally Angela Smith, Stephanie Peacock, Dan Jarvis and John Healy. We voted leave. They were sent back to parliament by the people of Barnsley on a manifesto and mandate to deliver it and they have cynically frustrated it. The cnuts.[/QUOTE] heres a few facts , Parliament is sovereign,referendums are not binding on parliament . a government cannot bind the hands of any future government MPs are not delegates , they are representitives and should do what they believe is in the best interests of the country and their constituents, the government has a majority albeit a small one with the help of the terrorist supporting DUP with a few billion bribe, the government cant get its own party to agree , this whole disasterous debacle is tory led ,tory owned and done for the sake of trying to stop tories from voting ukip ,nothing to do with the national interests , that lovely person Cameroon and May never considered a leave majority and that's why we are where we are now . as for blaming the labour MPs , I believe they have taken a principled stance and admire them and the courage of their convictions , they know full well the consequences at the next election , at least they are being honest with their constituents not like the vast majority of MPs who believe leaving is a disaster but haven't got the guts to say so.
The disaster is a looming no deal Brexit. The disaster is the lack of all the fantastic trade deals we were going to have. The disaster is companies leaving the UK. The disaster is the possible break up of the UK and the possible return to violence in Northern Ireland. The disaster is us no longer being part of one of the most powerful trading blocks in the world and vulnerable to exploitation by countries with s**t standards like the USA in pursuit of whatever deals we can make. The disaster is following the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg and Farage to recession while waving our f**king union jacks. And all you have to yarp on about is the will of the people. The insistence on putting through a decision made on a pack of lies. If having that decision set in stone is you idea of democracy we might as well cancel every election in the future and stick with the Tories. That's who we voted for isn't it? Rant over, I can't be arsed any further.
heres a few facts , Parliament is sovereign,referendums are not binding on parliament . a government cannot bind the hands of any future government MPs are not delegates , they are representitives and should do what they believe is in the best interests of the country and their constituents, the government has a majority albeit a small one with the help of the terrorist supporting DUP with a few billion bribe, the government cant get its own party to agree , this whole disasterous debacle is tory led ,tory owned and done for the sake of trying to stop tories from voting ukip ,nothing to do with the national interests , that lovely person Cameroon and May never considered a leave majority and that's why we are where we are now . as for blaming the labour MPs , I believe they have taken a principled stance and admire them and the courage of their convictions , they know full well the consequences at the next election , at least they are being honest with their constituents not like the vast majority of MPs who believe leaving is a disaster but haven't got the guts to say so.[/QUOTE] Dont know what’s happened their but my quote is below MPs who care forr the country have stayed to fight for what they believe the Brexiteers skulked off into the shadows for these MPs to take the consequences of Brexiteers so can blame them when the inevitable shutshower came and engulfed the country into recession. By doing this they have given the right for the remainer MPs who were left to fight their corner and have a people’s vote . Not a advisory referendum but a binary fully intentioned mandate.
You see the word "sheeple" used regularly on the net. Usually by folk who insist that the earth is flat, we never went to the moon, vapour trails are chemicals used by globalists to sedate us all etc. Just about sums up your arguments.
Check out Grahams Heirachy of disagreement. Come back to me when you can elevate your debate above the lowest level of name calling. At one point you did try to get up a couple of levels to plain contradiction - so I thought there was promise. But alas no.
[/QUOTE] if they are based in Ghent last time I looked that's in Belgium .so well done Belgium port workers click to expand have tried to answer all your points
