Revoke A50 Petition

Not all who voted leave are racists. All racists who voted probably voted leave.

 

Ok I encourage EVERYBODY to read the link.
Every single point is easily arguable. Points 14 and 15 though I can't argue because I'm laughing so hard. One is that we can have our blue passports back and the other is we can have our own line again at airports. Unbelievable.
Then there's the one about vacuum cleaners. For crying out loud.
It's been generally accepted that when we do leave we're going to have to enshrine most EU directives into British law anyway. The clue is because they were made in the interest of the consumer and the environment.
I actually clicked on the link thinking there might be some serious back up to the leave agenda. There really, really isn't.

 

P.s I gave up after reading the first 15. The last five are even more ridiculous and downright socially stupid.
We wont have to do any more recycling of waste.
We won't have to have any more wind farms?
It's not even frivolous it's damn well irresponsible, socially and environmentally suicidal. The Telegraph should be ashamed of that article. In fact it's so f***king ridiculous you'd think it had been written to make the leave campaign look bad.

 

Whilst I am for leaving...I can't disagree with your conclusions over the article.

 

Fair point but these unsubstantiated claims are equally daft on both sides. Remember the BBC serious headline about Leaving being a 'risk to sandwiches!!!' There have been countless 'may' 'might' 'could' articles from the BBC over the past 3 years which have resulted in the project fear claims.

The reason many voted Leave is not the current (prior to the referendum) situation but the direction that the EU is heading in and our future relationship as members. The Maastricht treaty contains a few alarm bells not to mention the fact that our net contribution is set to rise significantly over the next few budget periods as a result of the expansionist aims of the EU to include developing countries which net contributors like the UK would be expected to subsidise. That, incidentally, destroys all those who use the 'club' analogy since no club I know of gives the same benefits to all member, whilst some get free membership, some are actually paid to be members, all from a minority of members who are charged high membership fees to keep the whole thing afloat.

That said no-one knows the outcome of leave or remain medium long term-certainly not Economists who are still arguing over the specific impact of a no leave deal on the economy, and couldn't even predict 2008 crash. Nor did they get the impact of the Leave vote correct. Most will agree that the Eurozone, if not doomed, is in serious difficulty and the EU economy is artificially kept afloat with unsustainable cash injections -QE etc. from the ECB, the latest being cheap loans to banks. Without the UK annual contribution all that is under threat. Much of the heat and light over Brexit is more about pro/anti Conservative and Labour Party politics and revisiting the class war.

 

SB you know I respect your standpoints and you are probably more restrained than I tend to be so thanks for a balanced comment.

 

Thanks for that!!
Just going back to the petition, the numbers are undoubtedly impressive, I'm not sure though if it shows any great change of opinion. The map is almost a mirror image of the 2016 map..The real hot spots are still London, Oxford, Cambridge,Brighton etc with relative apathy outside, unfortunately the map isn't working for me this morning but last night it was showing my own constituency of Doncaster North being at 1.7%.
One thing that did surprise me though was the take up in Northern Ireland, only around
3-4% and it didn't seem to vary that much between nationalist and unionist areas.

 

You base your views on one person's comment from 17.4 million people, you ought to go into politics based on your biased opinion.

 

I have to say the poll is fairly pointless. Obviously I hope it rattles some cages but I doubt it.
We have been completely failed by all our politicians in the whole process.
Northern Ireland is surprising. I can't see a good reason to want out for them.
What amazes me is that the Irish border issue was barely mentioned during the run up to the referendum yet it seems insurmountable. My partner says that as soon as the brexit debate started the whole of the Irish media seized on the hard birder/Good Friday agreement conundrum as being unsolvable yet the British press, to the best of my memory, ignored it.
I've had arguments with her that, even though I don't agree with brexit, the future of the country shouldn't be held to ransom by a handful of terrorists/gangsters. Nevertheless the reality seems to be that it is.

 

Hardly.... it’s more like the mate makes you stay in the dump by stealing your shoes...

 

That guy from Barnsley probably believed the propaganda about Turkey joining the EU and that 76m predominantly muslim people would be heading to the U.K. under free movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Vote-Leave-WRONG-stoke-fears-immigration.html

There’s stupid people all over. That women on question time the other night, fearing we will be like Venezuela if we left with no deal.

 

I'm not sure I would agree with your partner's conclusion ( although she may well be better qualified to comment)...The border issue did not, to my knowledge really raise its head until Leo Varadkar became TD in June of 2017, apparently Enda Kenny was pretty relaxed about it...this article in the Irish Times suggests Varadkar has made it an issue to suit his domestic political agenda.
Some of Emerson's conclusions seem to be coming to pass.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...nues-to-show-a-tin-ear-to-the-north-1.3674167

 

There’s a lot of folk talking about this ‘project fear’ thing, and how all the portents of doom haven’t come to pass. Okay, maybe some of the more fanciful predictions haven’t happened, but what of the countless businesses that have cancelled uk projects or moved them elsewhere? The European agencies that have relocated, taking their jobs with them? The financial institutions that have moved operations to mainland Europe? The 10% (and rising) of the UK’s banking assets that have been moved overseas and the collapse in the £ every time we look like we’re leaving?? These things aren’t made up. They’re not fear-mongering. These are things that have happened, are happening, and by anyone’s predictions will leave the UK in a far worse place.
I’ve not included the predicted shortages of food, medicines....the delays at ports and airports, or the rest of the shitstorm that the Govt themselves are preparing for. (Have you read the leaked Operation Yellowhammer document?!?!?)

But still, project fear, yeah?

Blue passports and a commemorative 50p coin. Knock yourselves out......

 

Most of it was very avoidable, its the uncertainty that's done the most damage ( as it usually does), if the MPs had got their act together and in a lot of cases followed the wishes of the constituents who voted them in we could have had it sorted by now. I voted remain but I also believe in democracy, the majority voted leave so leave it is as far as I'm concerned.
There is a lot of bollo.cks talked about yes but I didn't vote for this, as I remember the vote was leave or stay, everything else was up in the air because nobody really knew.
As I explained in the other thread I'm not at my most rational now by any means but hey that's how I see it.

 

I’ll explain just for you seeing as you obviously havnt read the rest of my posts, it was “tongue in cheek”

 

I totally agree with you some of the reasons on BOTH sides are unbelievably moronic but I’ll stand by my view that we should not be leaving or even staying on the basis of the information and campaigns of 2016 .
Looking back both campaigns were arrogant, misleading and downright lies.
A people’s vote now with the information available would give us a better understanding of what could happen either way .
Most surveys show that lots of people on both sides have changed their minds and I honestly can’t understand why we can’t ask the people one last time “Are You Sure “

 

Signed it, now over 4.1 million.

 

My friends in papa new Guinea have just signed it with 1000s of the indeginous pop out there as well or was it Peru or the Sudan, cant remember

 

A people’s vote now would only take into account that we have a set of inept politicians, who couldn’t organise a party in a brewery.

A remain victory would be on the cards, not necessarily because we want to stay, but because we can’t continue this uncertainty and need to stop the inept politicians and their stupid merry go round.... which for me are the completely wrong reasons.

 

Your campaigns wanting these in your words “inept politicians “to take control .
As someone sang “isn’t it ironic, don’t you think?”
“It’s like good advice you just didn’t take “