Revoke A50 Petition

Illegal overspending by the Leave campaign groups, as found by the Electoral Commission, currently being investigated by the NCA and admitted in court by the governments own QC during the recently A50 case. If the referendum was legally binding (which they can be if the enabling referendum makes it so) it would have been voided as a result. Because legally it was only advisory it can't be voided.

The 2011 AV Referendum Act (for comparison) contained a clause stipulating that the relevant minister would draft legislation to implement the result. This was not part of the 2016 referendum act.

 

You may have missed a post of mine (many pages ago!!)...Leave.eu only overspent after getting clearance for that expense from The Electoral Commission.
From the BBC...
"The High Court agreed with the Electoral Commission finding in July that Vote Leave had broken the law, but said the watchdog had misinterpreted the rules, in the run-up to the June 2016 referendum, in advice it gave to the Leave campaign."

Also it seems to have gone unnoticed that two strands of the Remain campaign , the Lib Dems and Britain Stronger in Europe broke Electoral Law, relatively small beer financially, but in the Lib Dems case in particular, they knew what they were doing. The Britain Stronger campaign I can accept as an oversight.
https://www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-9512-3c2a-9e0f-4453897183c8

Undoubtedly is was a complicated business, but to be fair you are not immune from ignorance of the facts ( apologies if that sounds aggressive.... I don't mean it that way)...you made the assumption that Leave's victory is invalid because Leave.EU broke Electoral Law, not knowing, ( I assume) that so did the Remain Campaign.

 

Won't be Spam - its made in Denmark now.

 

Won't be Spam - its made in Denmark now.

 

Won't be Spam - its made in Denmark now.

 

There will be civil war soon, people are scared. The rise of the far right and islamophobia as witnessed on this very thread openly showing its hand has made people very afraid. I know I am. The people who voted for Brexit have made an awful gamble for the people of this country and when it all goes horrendously wrong I think we deserve to know the people who are accountable for it.

I’m not sure how that could be implemented, a B symbol next to a person’s name on Facebook would that be possible? I’m not exactly tech savvy but I know Twitter has blue check marks for verified users so maybe it can be done.

 

Love how this got posted three times and was about spam!

 

What, like a yellow star or something? Ffs......

 

Its clear there were issues on both sides during the referendum. Its generally accepted that these were more significant in the leave campaign. However, that not real issue here. What matters is you cannot have democracy when the rules are broken and lies become routine. If you cannot trust the information you need to make an informed choice, then you might as well toss a coin to decide. We really should have changed electoral law as a result of this mess.

 

I blame the mobile internet on the train. Honest

 

I thought that was intentional. You've spoilt it now

 

So did Momentum Corbyns 'Brownshirts'

 

irs amazing that illegal overspending by the leave side is being investigated but the 9 million pound tax payer funded government leaflet is not, that leaflet without doubt was pro remain with forecasts of financial and employment casualties,as you know every single household received one but there seems to be very little said about it

 

Surely, the MAIN (shouted in a Young Nudgeresque way) reason there has been a total mess over Brexit/negotiations/ parliament is that the concept of 'leave' was not properly addressed. The basic option of leave on the 2016 referendum ballot was not clear. The referendum itself was over simplistic for such a complicated issue and ever since we have had various pundits and politicians telling us that 'this is what the people really wanted'. Everyone has their own interpretation of what 'leave' meant and hence the **** up imo.
I'm a remainer and in spite of the EU's big flaws I would vote remain again, however, my own personal take on the 2016 vote is that since we had the option to leave the EU in the ballot and we, as a country voted for it then we leave ALL the institutions and constructs of the EU. In other words, for me the only unambiguous 'leave' option is 'no deal'. We should cut all ties with the EU since that is what leaving means.
That is my take on it but as I said, it comes from my interpretation of the original ballot which was over-simplistic. Therefore, for me, just to clarify the whole country's view I think there should be another referendum with No deal on it, remain on it ( now people have seen potential consequences) and, possibly May's deal as the one negotiated deal on offer. Maybe a STV could be used.
Obviously, my views aren't necessarily a correct interpretation of what leave means and an option for 3 choices on a referendum would be open to criticism as well. However, there does need to be something to resolve this entire **** up and I think a referendum is the best way to close the chapter.
Personally, this entire lunacy has been caused, in my view, by an incompetent Tory government under Cameron ( trying to resolve internal issues within the Tory party) and made worse by the most blinkered, stubborn Prime Minister since Thatcher. The whole debacle is a national disgrace.

 

You can’t call facts ‘pro-remain’. Many of the financial and employment casualties have already happened, with more still to come.

What did you expect the leaflet to say? “Vote leave, we’re all going to be millionaires”

 

but projected scenarios are not facts,George Osbourne told us that even in the event of a leave vote we would head into recession and there would be countless job losses,this was untrue and has not happened,employment is at it highest for ages,whether you agree or not is your choice but the figures are there.

Seeing as the government are pro remain i expected the leaflet to be exactly as it was and no i did not expect it to say we will be all millionaires if we leave and funnily enough the leave campaign have never said that either.

 

I was aware that there was claims that both sides broke electoral law, however, the severity of the infractions were completely incomparable (handing a team sheet in late vs playing 12 men for 90 minutes to use a football analogy!)

Y Goch sums it up pretty nicely..

Its clear there were issues on both sides during the referendum. Its generally accepted that these were more significant in the leave campaign. However, that not real issue here. What matters is you cannot have democracy when the rules are broken and lies become routine. If you cannot trust the information you need to make an informed choice, then you might as well toss a coin to decide. We really should have changed electoral law as a result of this mess.

 

You're being a little disingenuous, dek. Numerous companies have scrapped or moved new UK projects overseas. Some UK-based European agencies have moved their operations (and jobs) to mainland Europe and we've already seen over 10% of the UK's banking assets moved from the UK. That figure is set to exceed £1 trillion. These are not 'projected scenarios'. They are cold, hard facts.

 

I am also begining to think a second ref will be the only way out, even tho i really am against it in principle.

I still think we would get a leave vote because no one i know or have spoke to who voted leave have changed their minds.

I still think the questions on the ballot paper should be leave or remain,with leave emphasising that it could very well be no deal,which is which is what most of us thought was going to happen anyway, Everyone i know voted leave to cut all ties.

i dont think the ballot paper can be spread out with more than two options.

I think the government did right giving us a referendum as both political parties had promised us one after masstricht was signed, i also think that there is a lot of anti european union feeling throughout europe and its about time others were asked their views because the whole eu cannot just carry on as it is if its dividing people in the way it is, if everyone was asked their views and it turned out most view the eu negatively then the eu would certainly have to re invent itself, because the current system,especially with vetos and majority voting is not good enough imo.

 

ok then, i may have missed something, genuinely missed something,so how many jobs have we lost because of brexit? this is a genuine question and not me being awkward,