Brexit Day Cancelled

I’d love to ask them about why they voted that way, The neoliberalism of the modern EU and the every growing concerns about closer financial ties must have weighed heavily on those who don’t like foreigners coming over here taking their jobs.

 

He’s been walking in Brexit areas and the turnouts still been pretty poor even respecting the smaller populated areas

 

I can't disagree, however there are a lot of us who voted Leave who wouldn't go out of our way to go for a walk with Nigel.

 

Do people find it funny?

 

pomp,its irrelevant as to why they voted they way they did,if they voted because they dont like foreigners then thats their choice

 

the leavers in those areas got off their backsides and went to the ballot box and that is ultimately what counts.

 

Fair comment

 

So...if there's a second referendum and the result is to remain....is that undemocratic?

 

they dont happen to be the same thinktanks that predicted a remain vote at the referendum are they marlon?

the following links show opinions on a second referendum (and before anyone jumps down my throat i know not everyone thinks this way

https://news.sky.com/story/most-britons-oppose-second-eu-referendum-sky-data-poll-reveals-11613019

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arn-of-opposition-to-second-brexit-referendum

I must add that when cameron offered the referendum he did so because ukip were on the rise,they finished third in the general election in 2015 and polled nearly 4 million votes,had this country been run under PR then they would have got quite a few MP's. Now consider the fact that above 17 million voted leave, many of these labour voters, then consider the impact on voting demographics should their will be ignored,
UKIP, fell by the wayside post referendum,simply because they'd achieved (or so many thought) their goal and that was taking the uk out of the EU.Wherever you stand on brexit it is imo very dangerous to ignore that referendum, even if some of these 17 million have now changed their minds (which is seriously doubt) then i honestly think that you will see a huge rise in anti eu/ or even far right politics, and bashing people about their moral compass will not wash when they have already been stabbed in the back.

it is often said that the referendum result was people lashing out at mainstream politics, well get ready for the backlash if their voice is ignored because i think it will take decades for people to forget what they would consider as nothing short of betrayal

 

My view, and we've discussed it at length on here is that forcing us to vote again with the option of Remain on the paper is undemocratic, UK law is based on precedent, according to the accepted precedents, whatever vote has taken place, the result is accepted and enacted, I can find no other democratic exercise in British history, whether it be referendum or election where the precedent has not been followed. I am of the opinion that others can campaign for a change at a later date, but the original result must be enacted.
I have voted in every election and referendum available to me, my first being the 1975 EU Referendum ( where I voted Remain) .
If we overturn Democratic precedent and are made to vote again, it will be the last vote I ever cast.
I would say to anyone who supports a second referendum to remember, that if this is overturned it leaves the way open for any democratic decision to be overturned, which actually is a major threat to democracy in the UK itself, far more worrying than the Brexit issue .

 

Deluded

 

There could be just as bad a backlash if we leave with EU friendly party’s on the rise especially IF we go into recession because if it.
I’m not sure there is a majority for leave now tbh and the slight difference in the vote should automatically have said let’s pausr and have s think.
The vote was Tory Irchestrated imo with the party taking on a cross political issue on Tory only grounds . The issue should not have been just stay or remain and it should have involved cross party negotiations .
Whether you argue for a second referendum or against the facts are the people shouting the loudest went into the background shirking any responsibility .
May had a majority to take us out and gambled on the back of the referendum for a bigger majority to do the will of the Tories and the people were sceptical to say the least and returned her with a very slender lead.
Imo and this is only my opinion the people who shouted for us to leave slinked off into the background knowing full well we couldn’t just leave and all the responsibilities that we had undertook abandon and that negotiations were gonna have to be conducted to keep out respect with other nations .
They imo reneged the right to any say in the future of our country and it is they who abandoned the ground to what is happening now .

 

Can't wait for the next general election. If the result doesn't go the way I vote, I think it should be re-run and a petition set up online.

Be like groundhog day but a really crap version.

 

Ok, so we continue on this path and leave the EU. Remember that May triggered Article 50 knowing there were "irregularities" around overspending in the referendum, "concerns" about targeted advertising and issues with the source of the donations that "blemished" the result (in the words of the Governments QC in the Webster A50 case). What do you think happens to democracy if we enact something that is legally questionable and it isn't a success. We are rewarding liars for lying and cheating.

How happy are you that Bolton (and Birmingham) spent money they didn't have to avoid relegation last year? If you are happy that the referendum result should be followed fully knowing that there are "irregularities" that are still being investigated (by the NCA and others) then you are happy that other teams can cheat to gain success on the football field.

Democracy falls or lives on the honesty of the politicians and the system. If we allow this to happen before the investigations are complete and potentially against the will of the people then all we have is a charter for cheats and liars to prosper.

 

You do realise that several full coaches went from Leeds and Sheffield, and at least a couple from Inverness and further north? A full 10 coach GWR train was chartered from Bristol (around 800 people) and lots from all corners of the UK.

 

Yes quite a few millionaires, celebrities and at least one local MP who I know chipped in.

 

Fair enough but the referendum wasn't binding. I never, ever will accept the wisdom of referenda. We vote members into Parliament to make complex decisions for us. And finally......if, as Spider suggests, all the leave voters are still there then there should be no problem for your side winning a second vote. If Remain were to win then surely the democratic will of the people will, with the benefit of time and more information, have changed.

 

P.s. I think you can argue your side of the argument with a strong case. I just happen to believe my side is right.
I'd even reluctantly agree with coming out, though not with a no deal, if there were a promise òf another confirmation referendum or a vote in Parliament two years down the line.
The problem with that is that our current membership allows us certain privileges that we would never be allowed were we to apply to go back in.

 

No referendum as far as I know ( might be one, but I can't honestly remember) was binding, but all have been fully enacted, that is the precedent, if there were cases of them being ignored then you would have a point....I refer you back to the point though that if this is overturned no decision in this country is safe.

 

Penalties !!
We good at them nar