We'll have to disagree on this point. I believe he was the best keeper in league one and by some distance. He wasn't the only player who had a bad season when we were relegated but he seems to be the only one who keeps being criticised for it. His first season in the championship was very different, I think he showed he was championship quality. He lost form in our second season and wasn't dropped when it was needed. That was poor management and not his fault. In my opinion he is very much a championship standard keeper and from what I am reading there are a few championship clubs who also think so.
Yes I did. When looking at his performances overall I do not have confidence that he is ready for being a number one in the championship. No. He had a very good game. One good performance did not convince me he was ready to play week in week out at a higher level though. We don’t agree, I’ve no issue with that. But your post implies I’ve contradicted myself - I’ve done no such thing. I’ve never said I don’t think he’s any good at all, and I’ve not said he’s never played well. What I did say was that in the few performances I’ve witnessed, I don’t think it would be sensible to go into a championship season with him as first choice goalkeeper. I stick by that. I support the club and back Stendel to make the right call though. Should Walton be installed as first choice then I hope he proves to be magnificent.
Stoke have become renowned for physical, direct play for some time. As for Jones, 3 wins and 11 draws in 21 games hardly says they're footballing teams to death.
Agree but I don't think Nathan Jones is anti football. Davies had a poor season when we went down but the back 4 infront of him changed every week from start to finish McDonald, Lindsay, Jackson, pinnock, Matt mills, matty Pearson all having spells not to mention the full backs jason McCarthy, fryers, yiadom, cavare..... it changed on a weekly basis his confidence got lower and lower as the season went on. This season he has been unbelivible the last minute point blank stop to keep marquis out, the boagle penalty save away at Pompey, the pen save v posh away..... I could go on. He has alway been a decent shot stopper his distribution used to be a problem but this season it's come on leaps and bounds. He has been a great servant for the club and wish him well if stoke sell butland and get Davies on a free they have got a good keeper and it's good business for them.
I didn't actually mention Nathan Jones. I was referring to the club in general, which isn't known for silky football. Jones has started badly at Stoke though, and if they start next season badly, who would bet against him getting the boot. Lots of pressure on them. Parachute payments etc.
Since when did results suggest a certain style of play? Luton played some great footballer under Jones and I'd argue it's his influence that has led to them being the league's top scorers. We played some amazing football under Andy Richie in the Championship and hardly won a game. Stoke were obviously renowned for a certain style, progressed beyond that under Hughes, appeared to go back to it with Rowatt, but it feels like you're just making assumptions right now.
Exactly. We'll just leave it there then shall we? Why is it OK to make assumptions all season long with regard to our promotion rivals, yet dare to be underwhelmed by the thought of your keeper going to the Brazil of Burslem and the pedantry police are out with sniffer dogs and helicopters. I'll reiterate. Barnsley play lovely football from front to back. We're renowned for it. Stoke aren't.
2 things of note from this thread. 1. Stefarno is a complete lunatic. 2. It'll be a shame to lose Davies for sure. He's been arguable our best player this season (Mowatt and Pinnock too) but the dogs abuse he received from certain sections of the fan base was nothing short of disgusting. After the **** up between him and Lindsay, the fact that the Ponty End cheered him picking the ball up was completely disrespectful to our club captain. People dismissed it as LOLZBANTZ but it certainly wasn't. Yes he had a shaky 2017/18, but everyone did. Yet he was singled out every time he didn't charge past the penalty spot to claim a cross. Good luck in your career Adam, you've got 10 years left at a decent level. I hope you make a tonne of money and win some more trophies. Hopefully we can replace him. Over to you Daniel - I have every confidence that you can do it.
Past tense if you want the pedantic dogs to really come out (which they weren't in the first place). Nathan Jones is as renowned for playing good football , just as much as we are. That's why the team he managed for the majority of the season achieved back to back promotions and scored more goals than us. Just saying
I don't think Daniel will be doing the scouting we will no doubt go for a young keeper based on stats. I trust stendel to get the best out of whoever is brought in though.
I don't think pulls helped stokes image of playing nice football either and he was there quite a while. I do think Jones will try get they playing decent stuff though.
But he's now at Stoke, besides you've just said yourself that playing good football doesn't guarantee wins . Now it does? Besides that, I never actually mentioned Nathan Jones. I made a throwaway comment about Stoke being anti football, which they have been - you acknowledged it yourself, and I quoted you. Are Stoke your second team or is there another reason for you being so protective towards them?
I thought your anti-football claim, which was aimed at a reason why Davies wouldn't/shouldn't sign for Stoke, needed calling out as unfair or incorrect. Pulis days apart, which were a long time ago, they were playing some decent stuff under Hughes and have attracted arguably one of the most pro-football managers in the football league. Simple as that really.Can probably move on now though, especially as I don't get the relevance of your first comment which feels like you've got yourself all twisted up in knots. Ajax v Spurs starts soon.
I don’t think Davies was singled out for dogs abuse and I don’t think it will have any impact on his decision making process He will be offered life changing sums of money. Even if we matched his money ( doubt we can / will) he would be playing for a bigger club in a bigger stadium with better facilities. It’s a no brainer for him I would imagine. There is no loyalty in football. Literally none, it’s business . This isn’t a criticism it’s a fact. Good luck Adam.
"Suppose it doesn't matter to a goalkeeper to be playing in a anti football side" is what I said in my original reply. I didn't say he wouldn't or shouldn't go there. The relevance of my first comment is this. You keep banging on about Nathan Jones being a football man. He was at Luton. Hasn't done anything at Stoke yet. May not get the opportunity. Fans are split over him. The only think I'm confused about is which team you support. Is it Stoke? Spurs? Ajax?
I've been to games this season when Davies was singled out. Charlton away was disgusting. There was one bloke who we ended up heckling to shame him. Oxford away similar, and quite a few other occasions. I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't heard it, and others have commented about it over the season as well.
Fair enough we’ll have to agree to disagree. I agree he’d be a good Championship keeper, but if I was manager of a team that will be looking to win the league I’d want a better keeper than Davies.
Fair enough mate but you could probably apply that theory to every player at some point of season! I guess keepers are a susceptible target but I think he’s been really well supported over the years and genuinely don’t think it will affect his decision, I guess that was my point - money prevails
