O/T they clearly need to step up gun production in the states

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  1. George Kerr

    George Kerr Well-Known Member

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    You do what is necessary if you want to live in a civilised society. In UK illegal possession of a firearm can get you 10 years jail time. It tends to focul the mind. It would certainly reduce the (% gun deaths per day in the US.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    How can anyone honestly that question? It would depend on the state of mind of the intruder - you know, the person who has broken into your property with a gun intent on criminal activity.
     
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    I will concede that if I could guarantee:

    • That I would never use the gun other than in self-defence;
    • That in a self-defence situation I would know for sure that the intruder would shoot me if I didn't shoot him
    • That I would always shoot only the intruder with perfect reflexes and 100% accuracy;
    • That no-one other than me would ever gain access to the gun
    Then owning one might be justifiable. But I can't guarantee any of the above and neither can anyone else.
     
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    No. Most intruders don't want to be caught. If they go armed with a gun and worse still.use it then they risk a life sentence. However if they believe the householder would have a gun then the stakes become higher and they are more likely to panic.

    All statistics show guns are not the answer but unfortunately the yanks are stubborn and the NRA a powerful lobby group.

    As regards knives, again youngsters might carry one thinking it protects them but again it can escalate things. Watched a programme where a lad showed he had a knife to someone who was bothering his girlfriend, they then rang some "mates" and they came back In numbers and he was fatally stabbed.
     
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  5. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    We're not talking about illegal gun control in the UK though. The OP is about gun control in the USA where it's legal to open a firearm.
     
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    I know. The point is they could do with making itillegal if they want to reduce the almost constant stream of massacres each year.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    They don't want to be caught? So what if I catch them but I'm unarmed and they're not? Nice gun wielding Mr Burglar won't shoot. Then I promise not report him if he doesn't shoot me then we share a twinky. Ok.
     
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    Exactly. He shoots you dead he risks life imprisonment. He runs off with or without your valuables probably would escape prison.
     
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    Because it's common sense and you're being deliberately obtuse
     
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  10. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Common sense? Ok. You would be a lot more relaxed in that situation than I would be. That's all I can say and you are putting too much faith in human logic.
     
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    150 multiple shootings in the USA this year!!
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't own a gun if I could guarantee that a criminal intent on nefarious activities and being armed with a gun and had absolutely no intention of using it. Which begs the question, if they don't intend to fire it at any point, why are they carrying it?
     
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    Enough said!
     
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    In this country they are unlikely to be. In America because they will.most likely feel that a householder may be armed .

    You hear a noise, grab your gun and shoot. Could be your son unexpectedly coming home that night when you thought he was at his girlfriend's. I wouldn't take the risk.
     
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    I lived in Austin Texas for over2 years a very laid back city but there is never any political moves to change the gun laws it wove political suicide
     
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    Would be political suicide(sorry)
     
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    Wow. So armed burglars won't shoot a householder if he is unarmed but same householder will shoot his own son if he has a gun. Someone has just let themselves into my house with a key, I know my son has been out and should be home some time and I could shout out "is that you son"? I think I'll just shoot him instead.
     
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    I know what you’re saying but the fact that so many people do accidentally kill their family members thinking it is an intruder shows that it’s a very real problem. I bet every single person who’s done it would say that they 100% wouldn’t - until they did.
     
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    Morons owning guns is a problem. However, in a society where gun culture is so intrinsic to and prevalent in society, the only option is to own one yourself. This really is a case of you can't beat them so join them. If you lived in a high risk flood zone you would take precautions. Why wouldn't you in a society at risk of gun crime?
     
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    Killings with guns are a symptom of a grand malaise in the USA. Late stage capitalism is *****.
     
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