So dad, you lost

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  1. Winker

    Winker Well-Known Member

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    HATRICK

    FOOTBALL W. CUP 1966
    RUGBY W. CUP 2003
    CRICKET W. CUP 2019
     
    Winker, Jul 15, 2019
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    In theory you're correct because the team batting second know how aggressive they need to be. However, that's all part of being the captain and winning the toss. You sacrifice knowing what total you have to chase because you think the pitch and your team are more suited to setting the total.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 15, 2019
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    I'd rather the England batsman had kept their nerve when needing 3 off two deliveries and then people wouldn't be having these debates.
     
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    Congrats on the daftest comment in a ridiculous thread.
     
    bright red, Jul 15, 2019
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.
     
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    Stokes should have only got 5 runs for the overthrow, I'd be more pissed off about that if I was a Kiwi
     
    mansfield_red, Jul 15, 2019
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    Jim Love for Yorkshire in 1987 B&H Cup Final!!
     
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    Really? Hadn’t they run two before the deflected four??
     
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    No he shouldn’t. They’d completed two runs, then four for the overthrow. Six was correct.

    But then to be fair - four umpires, an official scorer and a match referee might have figured it out between them if you were right don’t you think?
     
    troff, Jul 15, 2019
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    You would have thought so, but they didn't. See law 19.8:

    Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

    If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be
    any runs for penalties awarded to either side and the allowance for the boundary and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

    They were nowhere near having crossed at the point of the throw, so the second run shouldn't have counted
     

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    Not really that straightforward as the law is very ambiguous as it states that the batsmen have to have crossed at the throw or act. Does that mean when the ball is thrown in or does it mean act as in when it deflected off the batsman? Besides that rule is for straightforward overthrows and doesn't specifically cover deflections off the batsmen.
     
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    "Act" refers back to "wilful act of a fielder", so it means the time of the throw
     
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    I know the law but in this instance the ‘act’ was apparently deemed to be the deflection rather than the initial throw, the throw from deep would not have gone to the boundary so they were perfectly correct to interpret it as two completed runs in my view - I suppose it’s ambiguous mind.
     
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    In "theory" then, if they were running the third and it went for overthrows, then they could have scored 7 off a single ball.... Has *that* ever happened?
     
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    According to a former umpire in this mornings Grauniad, they hadn’t crossed when the ball was thrown, 2nd run shouldn’t count.
    But I’m at risk of suddenly being an expert on something I knew nowt about when I woke up this morning.
     
    Donny-Red, Jul 15, 2019
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    Would a 6 off a no ball count as 7 ? Genuinely have no idea.

    That must have happened at some stage in the entire history of cricket though
     
    only1kp, Jul 15, 2019
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    No it's just six no balls.
     
    Stephen Dawson, Jul 15, 2019
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    I’m sure someone scored a four off a no ball and five was added to the score in the game .
    Unless it was the Gorlovka kicking in .
     
    Marlon, Jul 15, 2019
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    You're right and it is 7 off the ball. However, the batsman isn't credited with six.
     
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