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your mates pillocking you pal, langwith shut in the 70's and there were no compulsory redundo's, end of story, whether he worked on the coal face or in the wages office etc is of no importance everyone was offered alternative work,

i worked at 5 pits under the tory closure programme and everybody who wanted to stay in the industry could because there was always somebody at other pits who were willing to take redundancy,even canteen women were able to transfer

compulsory redundancies came in after the re privatisation of the industry, i was made redundant at armthorpe pit because the entire company went bust, there was no alternative offered

during the 1992/93 closure programme the coal board offered no transfers, however if a man refused to take redundo and wanted to stay in the industry they were found jobs elsewhere

houghton main was in the initial wave of closures in 1992/3, we had about 15 men come to frickley because they wanted to stay in the industry,(some houghton men went to other pits aswell, two of my mates went to hatfield) then less than 12 months later the board said they couldnt sell our coal so the unions accepted (by show of hands) the closure, this after the usual pressure from the board that this was the last chance you'll ever get to take these redundancy terms that are on offer... some of us however were desparate to keep and our jobs so asked for transfers which we got but only after a lot aggro from the management, they did everything in their power to put us off and in my case the c unt that was our manager tried to make out that the only alternative work on offer was at either point of ayr in north wales or daw mill in warrickshire, in the end i did my own legwork and moved to silverwood in rotherham

 

So wrong and I can prove it. My dad was redundant and got about £500 ish redundo when Monk Bretton shut.

 

you dad may well have taken redundancy when monk bretton shut but if he'd have wanted to stay in the industry he could have, there were no compulsory redundancies at monk bretton

 

When Monk Bretton shut a lot of miners came to Houghton Main and Grimethorpe.
Deks not saying there weren’t any redundancies what he’s saying is they were no Compulsory Redundancies which is a different thing .
Yes your dad will probably have got redundancy but there would have been a job for him elsewhere if he’d wanted it .

 

thats all i'm trying to say marlon

monk bretton, wombwell main, wharncliffe woodmoor, haigh,..all local pits,all closed under labour's restructuring programme and NO compulsory redundancies

very few took redundancies in that era because redundancy terms were poor at best and the late 60's also saw the introduction of 'early' retirement where men in their early 60's were allowed to finish to make way for transferees.

i use the term 'early' very lightly because up until that period retirement was practically non existent as men couldnt afford to retire and many worked until they either dropped or wernt simply fit enough to carry on

 

That’s correct regards retirement .
I think it was Scargill that brought the scandalous retirement terms to a halt .
Under the old rules miners who came off the face had to retire on a lower rate .
Do a miner who worked 45 years on the face but had dust couldn’t have a lighter job as his money would be lowered .
A few miners I know who were well in with seam overman were ok as he would deploy them outbye or on pit top but still pay them power loading.
Those that weren’t in with overman had to come off face and money were lowered and when they retired were paid bottom rate which was scandalous after all those years on face and contracting an industrial disease were losing out and when Scargill got York’s NUM President he stopped it .

 

You never mentioned compulsory in the quote. Life is more grey than black and white. Whats on offer may not be suitable given your own personal circumstances. I myself was made redundant in 83 (not mining), was told there would be no work for me in 12 months. They offered redundo and I took it. Having walked the gang plank with a sword up my arse, am I a volunteer. Officially yes, but in reality no

 

Take no note of me pal, I type some reight ****** from time to time. As for the transfers to other pits, all I can say is that we were told that under no circumstances we were getting transferred.
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I a remember Gilbert well, he was ok l suppose.

 

Wow, when some people think they know other peoples lives and business better than the actual people they talk about talk about..laughable really. Enjoy your day!

 

Will do,cheers

 

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It’s not about knowing other people’s lives it’s about knowing first hand what was going on at the time and at the time there was no forced redundancies full stop .
If your mate came out of the industry it was because he didn’t want to take up the alternative offers by the NCB.

 

Last post on this, I have asked him again and he was made redundant with no alternative role available which would match his own, ended up moving to Barnsley working for a drilling company. I have no reason to doubt him. Not sure how you think you know different. Maybe there were no redundancies for those at the coal face but he was defo outed from the office function. Makes perfect sense to me, how could any other pit just keep employing every role? Miners, maybe but it's simple economics that if someone is doing the role already you wouldn't employ someone else.

 

I’ve told how I know different because there was no compulsory redundancies at the time .
Either your mates a liar or he’s the only person in Great Britain to have been made compulsory redundant and he must have been really really sh it at his job to get that in fact criminally **** .
The fact you said labour made loads of miners redundant in your initial post to coming down to one miner who’s your mate is laughable .
You were pulling a political party down on a policy that you said was rife and made MINERS
Redundant now your saying one that’s my last post on it your telling porkies .

 

Actually Marlon, please read the initial post again on this subject.. stop making **** up...ps hope you never meet my mate face to face and call him a liar !!
Now to set some facts straight you numpty because you seem to have a strange sense of reality..

I never in my initial post said that labour made loads of miners redundant. I simply stated a FACT.. Labour closed more pits than the Tories. Get your facts correct
Then you make even more **** up saying I said the policy was rife and made MINERS redundant. No I haven't, read the thread if you have any morals!!

 

Your weird .im off

 

I'm weird, good job not on your level... Get your story straight numpty.

 

your mate will have been offered alternative employment even if it wasnt the same job that he had at langwith, i dont care how many times you ask him, there were NO compulsory redundancies prior to the renationalisation of the industry.
langwith shut in 1978, a period in the ncb's history where there was massive ongoing investment and restructuring(plan for coal) and also a massive recruitment drive,that involved all grades of work, whether underground or on the surface
another reason to confirm that he wasnt made compulsory redundant is that the pit closure programme was carried out with agreement from the NUM,NACODS AND BACM, that anybody wanting to remain within the industry could do so and up until the 1993 closures there was never ever a problem in relocating men, if a pit was closing and for example 200 men wanted to transfer then notices would be put up at other pits asking for men to put their names forward for redundancy so that others could transfer... this is how it worked

this is not about me knowing more than you or your mate, i worked at 10 pits over a long period of time, transferring from one to another as they closed and as i've told you even canteen women could be found other work.The labour party even championed the fact that their restructuring plans never saw anyone receive compulsory notice of termination of employment