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  1. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    Not sure which has annoyed me most:
    1. The CEO lying about no further player sales. Although I fully understand that feeding the support a load of ***** is a prerequisite for the job.
    2. The Coaching staff being unaware 24 hours before the start of the season that the club are selling last year’s leading scorer.
    3. Selling last year’s leading scorer for 50 pence having sold the defence for 60 pence.
    4. The glut of forwards we now have at our disposal (not) even though the season has now started.
    5. The idea that ‘if they don’t want to be here they can go’. If that’s the case let’s stop that stupid idea of longer term contract because what’s the point of that.
    6. Nope. None of those. I think what has annoyed me the most is losing a man who I think is a fantastic Coach and human being because he’s slowly realising that he’s at a club that comes nowhere close to matching his own ambition.

    Ah well. Ne’ar mind, only a game eh.
     
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  2. bright red

    bright red Well-Known Member

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    Your post annoys me more than any of those.
     
  3. andytyke

    andytyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Stendel Gone?? When did that happen
     
  4. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. i’ll Explain the concept of a Bulletin Board when you’ve left Primary School.
     
  5. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    All those players sold plus Adam Davies are on considerably higher wages than we can pay or are prepared to pay.

    Look at what we paid for Lyndsay Pinnock and Moore and then what we have sold them for.

    Money that will be reinvested back into the club.

    We are a financially sound club that is run fairly and well within the ffp rules.

    The players brought in have already started well.

    We have irons in the fire for new players to be brought in before the transfer window closes.

    We beat a club that was in the premier league last season on Saturday.

    But still.....
     
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  6. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    Hard to say but sometime between now and next May would be my guess,
     
  7. bright red

    bright red Well-Known Member

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    No need for abuse. I was just responding honestly to your post without being abusive. Did you only post expecting everyone to have the same feelings as you?
     
  8. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    Well. Thanks for engaging anyway Jack. On your points.
    1. Fair enough but I do often wonder what the benefit of having ‘super rich owners’ is when we can’t compete with Football giants like Brentford and Wigan.

    2. I’m a football fan, not a city speculator. My joy comes from seeing my team compete and win, not from improving a players financial value.

    3.mmm. We’ll see.

    4. Agree.

    5. Of course I agree with that Jack. Saturday was a fantastic performance but don’t you occasionally think Stendel should be allowed to manage without having one hand tied behind his back, or even told what’s going on in terms of player sales?

    6. I don’t believe that and even if it were true what’s happened to all the pre season rhetoric about the importance of getting in players early so the Coach can work with them well before the start of the season.

    7. See point 5.
     
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  9. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. I just thought your post was abusive and lacking any substance . If your telling me that wasn’t meant to be the case, I apologise.
     
  10. Gravy Chips

    Gravy Chips Well-Known Member

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    Your opening post on this thread was just as bad as the reply you received in all fairness
     
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    To be fair, he's had ten new signings, and from very early judgement, some of them look bloody good.

    He'll almost certainly be getting a replacement for Moore this week too.

    Not sure he's had one hand tied behind his back.

    I'd rather we'd kept Moore if he's fully okay after his injury (which I'm not convinced he is, despite him passing a medical at Wigan - something doesn't seem right). However I think £3-4m for him considering his career to date is good business. However, we must reinvest the money into the team. Paul Conway always says that will happen, and so far it by and large has. If that stops, I might get a bit peeved.
     
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    bright red Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Can’t see how you construed it as abusive though. I agree it didn’t have much substance but it was only a quick response. I tend not to worry too much about comings and goings of players as it happens all the time. Unfortunately the days of long serving players like Bobby Hassell are gone for good. I’ve no idea whether Stendel is in anyway unhappy with the dealings. I’m just happy with the start we’ve made.
     
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    I think theyvwere fully aware of the situation, DS and DT were hardly going to come out and say "yeah hes gone shag, si thi".
     
  14. Jack Tatty

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    1-potentially libellous

    2-I would suggest the staff were well aware of Moore's departure.
     
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    1. He never said that, quite the opposite in fact

    2. Tonge was speaking as an employee of the football club in a press conference, he could hardly say ‘yeah we are looking to sell’, it would jeopardise the deal. Do you really think they were unaware that he would be going when he barely trained, never mind played, in preseason?

    3. I agree it seems undervalue. It ain’t 50p though. The price we got for Lindsay was more than fair, I’d have hoped for more for Pinnock. But given the performance of the two who replaced them in the team on Saturday, who cost much less, I’m less concerned in that regard. The fee for Moore, when we still don’t really know if he’s over the injury or if he ever will be, is probably just about fair.

    4. We have Woodrow and Miller for central roles, Bahre will play in behind, Styles, Thomas, Wilks and Chaplin all could also play in the middle, so too Thiam and Brown if needed. Wide we have Thomas, Wilks, Chaplin, Thiam, Jordan Green and Jacob Brown when fit. That’s ten players for four places in the team (Styles could also play in central midfield of course). We could do with another out and out striker having sold Moore and loaned out Victor. I understand we are well down the road in signing one. That will be eleven players for four places in the team.

    5. Yes, let’s put them all on six month deals so they can all f*** off for free every window. Even with strong competition from the rest of the drivel that’s quite possibly the most stupid thing you’ve said on this thread. No we don’t want them all to leave every window. But if they want to leave so desperately, they will go if the money is right. If we don’t allow that, the next lot - the young, ambitious players like Bambo, Mads, Luke Thomas, would never sign for us in the first place.

    Shop window? Yeah. But for that to work for them they have to be bloody good when they’re here. It’s how we operate. Like it or not, it ain’t changing. We seem to be doing ok.

    6. Yes, you could see from how he was on the touchline and generally by the way he engages with us as fans that Stendel is well sick of Barnsley, hates it. Let’s face it, he knew full well Moore was sold Saturday, so it was no surprise that he was in no way animated at pitch side. Looked just like Hecky did just before he went... He’ll also know exactly who we have lined up to replace Moore. He probably even picked him - and had a deciding factor, possibly final say, in the decision to sell Moore and sign the replacement.

    All that said I’d be happier if he signed a new deal of course...

    Aah, there it is. We are billionaires. Our owners are ‘super rich’.

    No, we are ran by a collective who have companies and assets worth that amount.

    Worth that amount due to their knowledge, skill and experience in the field of running such enterprises.

    Barnsley Football Club is a club without debt, running at a profit currently and on an upward curve in terms of onfield performance. We are solvent, not only meeting FFP rules but setting a much higher standard of acumen: the balance sheet looks good, the assets are of value, we have cash in the bank. The club is in a huge minority in that it is self sufficient and well ran.

    Other clubs roll the dice and overspend. Worked out for Bournemouth and Brighton. Not so much for others like Bolton. Other clubs will be in deep doodoo soon enough throwing money at getting up.

    We will still be solvent in five years, I would wager playing at least at this level. One or two of the other clubs might have gone altogether and have Phoenix clubs playing in the Ryman or northern premier.

    I’m not sure where you just don’t get it or can’t back it - but if the way the club is ran is so to your distaste, you might want to consider a change in allegiance, perhaps to this weekend’s opponents, or maybe even a change in pastime as I’m not so sure supporting Barnsley is going to be good for you.
     
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    Moore's record hitherto is of doing very well in League One but having nowhere near the same impact at Championship level. To get £4M for a player of his age and level is to my mind good business. There has to be a doubt as to whether Kieffer would have fitted in to how Daniel expects to play in the Championship. I would imagine that the key staff did know that a deal for Kieffer was pending, but you don't imperil a £4M incoming payment by blurting about it. I'm more than happy with the squad even as it stands - if we get a further striker in then so much the better. Expect him to look more like Cauley than Kieffer though.
     
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    Everything troff wrote.
    The opening post is a ridiculous view of the facts, I’d like to think Pinnock was worth more than we got, but at the end of the day; we aren’t driving these deals, if we’ve got 3 mill for Moore, I’m happy, if it’s 4 I’m laughing my balls off.

    The most hilarious defence of Moore is as a ‘target man’, which offers us a different option; he’s been here over a year and there’s never been an iota of evidence that Stendel would revert to that style of play.

    The number of ‘fans’ watching this club perform, listening to the management teams philosophy who then ignore the evidence to look for a conspiracy of incompetence truly baffles me.
     
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    Another one who doesn't get it.

    Folk like you would rather see good young players on low wages become mediocre old players on huge wages in a red shirt, instead of cashing in to buy more good young players on low wages.

    I recommend you get your head around it, fast.
     
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    I dont have a problem us selling our best players....(gone on for long enough) i do have a problem not getting the fees that compliment the players we sell and then starting all over.
    This close season has seen us, up the anti in this department and better players have begun to arrive.
    I do hope that us selling moore, is the result of a well thought out process, where the suits and the coach have sat together and stated their objectives and needs for the coming season and identified a player that more closely match our playing style.
    i do believe, we as a club have looked to "cash in" on moore....as i say i just hope its to bring in a player, that our excellent coach wants, rather than sitting on what we have and salavating over our excellent bank account.....money we already have.
     
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    Stendel will be gone if we underachieve (sacked), show lack of ambition or succeed (poached).
    It's as inevitable as the others going I'm afraid.
     

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