Brexit End Game.

1 1 and 7 are the same and both wrong. Firstly Household income in sterling ALL outgoings in euros so I have already been affected and probably far more than you given our disposable income is down around 30% since we moved. Also since mys daughter grandaughet and son-in-law live in UK of course we are affected as we are still a family unit even though we live apart.
3 In contextthat ranking is mainly about press freedom and limits to citizens rights. My friend lives in Cambodia which is far 'worse' in that respect and yet he tells me that it has little impact on people day-to-day and people are living generally happy and contented lives.
5 is irrelevant
I don't understand what you are getting at re no 6. Quoting statistics is fine but doesn't counter the fact that the perception that people have living in Singapore is the quality of life is high and general perception is one of happiness.
4 Is obviously of concern but the OP was about the overall quality of life and standard of living for the general population as compared to the UK.

 

1. you've totally ignored point 2.
2. you've used Cambodia to highlight that its perfectly fine living in place that has no citizens right and seemingly justified it as being ok because your friend says its so. wow!
3. as you've been affected by a drop in income of 30% and you now admit your family is being affected can we assume the words "project fear" are a load of bullsh1t and its actually the truth. peoples lives and income are being and will be affected by all this. something we've been constantly told was lies.
4. you dont understand that 68% of healthcare costs are borne by the individual? given the fact any trade deal seems to open up the very real possibility of a privatised NHS id say thats a very real concern. but its ok the people are happy so not to worry!
5.i dont know why im bothering to reply at all, it wont change your opinion or that of others of the same ilk. i must find something far more productive to do with my time!

 

Just back on point for a moment, for all her faults, Theresa May did at least play by the rules. It begins to look as though Boris will stop at nothing. I've therefore become convinced firmly that we are now on course for no deal. There are various parliamentary devices to stop this, but I just don't see the actors as being united enough to make common cause. No doubt some will rejoice at this. Thing is, a trade deal will still have to be negotiated after that departure, and the EU seem equally unwilling to budge. How this prevents a hard border in Ireland and ultimately the breakup of the UK, I've no idea?

 

agreed. i cant for the life of me see how if we leave with no deal the EU wont put a border up. And how can we go back to the EU afterwards and ask for a trade deal when we've flatly just walked away from one! it beggars belief but this game of brinkmanship ends one way. with us losing!

 

Point 2 was ignored as it, like other points has little to do with the Quality of life comment in my OP. I was merely stating that people i.e. Cambodians are generally a happy people and dont obsess about politics in such a negative way that way you appear to.
Point 3 Long before the referendum in 2008 the pound dropped to almost parity with the Euro. I was well aware of the likelihood when I voted in the referendum. The pound to Euro FX has far more impact on me and my wife than our family back in the UK. Interesting how you have managed to fixate on Brexit in a post I made about quality of life in Singapore
Point 4 I do understand that. Don't be so patronising. Whilst Singapore is acknowledged to be one of the most expensive places to live relative to other countries, the 'bottom line' is what counts i.e. Singapore's healthcare system is ranked as one of the most the most efficient if not THE most efficient in the world in 2014. Singapore also follows a progressive resident tax rate starting at 0% and ending at 22% above $320,000. There is no capital gain or inheritance tax. Individuals are taxed only on the income earned in Singapore. The income earned by individuals while working overseas is not subject to taxation barring a few exceptions.
Medisave mandatory Contributions are payable by Singapore citizens and permanent residents only. Generally, employers and employees contribute 17% and 20%, respectively, of ordinary monthly wages up to an income ceiling of SGD 6,000. With lower taxation and no NI that probably averages out about the same as the UK when it comes to a percentage of income.
Even here in Italy it is part free, part private... certain treatments, consultations, blood tests scans etc are charged (but heavily subsidised) most prescriptions (generic drugs) are FOC . Waiting times are a fraction of what they are in the UK and Doctors are highly trained and modern State-of-the- art equipment is present even here in rural Italy . It is also interesting that all the GP doctors, consultants and surgeons we have encountered seem to be Italian and trained and qualified in Italy. Like the NHS though, hospitals have become specialised centres which means certain conditions may require èpatients to travel quite some distance for in-patient treatment and surgery

5 You seem conflicted. On the one hand holding up the UK, NHS etc as superior to other countries citing mainly human rights issues and at the same time constantly raging against UK Government, Brexit and UK politics in general. My comments about Singapore were merely a counter to someone stating that the 'Singapore model' was inferior and where we were heading I merely highlighting that for most of the population the perceived Quality of life is far superior to that experienced by the general UK population.

 

il bid you farewell. As above.i dont know why im bothering to reply at all, it wont change your opinion or that of others of the same ilk. i must find something far more productive to do with my time.

 

Ex US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers said this morning: “Britain has much less to give than Europe as a whole did, therefore less reason for the United States to make concessions,” he said. “You make more concessions dealing with a wealthy man than you do dealing with a poor man.”

Also, Heseltine last week on "freedom" (paraphrased): A man standing alone in the desert is totally free - but he has no power.

 

Mr O - listen to Len McLuskey - he talks a lot more sense than Heseltine!

Neither Johnson nor Corbyn can risk calling for another referendum because if they do their party will always be accused of not listening to the democratic view of the people.
Neither Johnson nor Corbyn can risk a General Election at the present time - both fear a massive swing to the Brexiteers and Lib Dems and the real possibility that one of those parties will be in power or at least holding the balance of power.
Both Johnson and Corbyn have a problem and they need each other's support. Johnson can't get a deal through without Labour support - too many in his party wouldn't vote for any deal.
It's said that labour is the party of Remain - but is it - many labour constituencies voted to Leave?
The only way out for Corbyn is to support a Johnson deal - they'll cobble something together re Irish issue, Johnson will make massive concessions re. workers rights and will offer Corbyn an early General Election if he has Corbyn's support over the deal.

 

For months now, EU negotiators have insisted that the exit deal offered to Theresa May
is final and is not open for re-negotiation.

That's why I am puzzled with Michael Goves statement on Sky News saying he's very
disappointed at the reluctance of the EU to hold any talks around a revised deal.

I was of the opinion that Government representatives were reasonably intelligent, but that appears not
to be the case. It looking increasingly likely that we are heading to leave without a deal on 31st October.

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-leaders-have-accepted-uk-is-leaving-without-a-deal-11778386

 

I'd never take anything a politician says at face value. Instead look at the reason for saying what they say and what they have to gain by saying it, and who they wish to influence from saying it.

Criticising the EU is for one purpose only. To create negative sentiment that they wish to then exploit at the next GE.

 

Labours policy at this moment stands on negotiating a different deal on Brexit ie being in the customs union etc .which solves the Irish Border problem .
Then put whatever it has negotiated back to the people along with Remain on the ballot paper .
Corbyn has stated the position on many occasions and people purposely misquoting .

 

I was reading a comment earlier saying that if Labour support a second referendum, they would
be seen as going against the decision to leave made as a result of the previous one, which at a GE
would inevitably cost them votes.

 

Corbyn has stated he would negotiate a deal and put it back to the people with remain on the ballot sheet .
I have had an email off him stating just that .

 

Its already costing votes by trying to face two ways. Its a classic double bind and Labour don't have a way out of it. So the new right wing tories know they can highlight this, paint Labour into the remain anti will of the people camp (while remainers are leaving Labour in droves) and cream off the labour leave and Brexit vote to try and eek out a majority.

 

It wasn't long ago in Cambodia where they had their own populist leader. He was also one of the "elites" who led the overthrow of the ruling "elites" when he took power - which had some degree of support among the people at the time. Pol Pot then went on a little purge of the workers from the old government, intellectuals, professionals and others that accounted for around a quarter of the population of the country. Given that this ended only 40 years ago, most of the population of that country will have lost parents, grandparents, siblings and children in the carnage. I would suggest that this would have a major influence on the outlook of the survivors and their descendants - particularly in regards to their political views.

Interestingly, even after knowledge of the Killing Fields was made public, the Khmer Rouge in exile in Thailand had the support of the Thatcher government - providing weapons, intelligence, food and training.

 

No that’s media spin .
Corbyn is calling for the Tories to put their deal back to the people with remain on the ballot sheet .
It would be hypocritical to not support the same for his party .
The media are wrongly reporting labours stance and people are believing it and some using it for their own ends .
Labours stance in Brexit is to negotiate a deal which keeps the customs union etc etc and put that deal back to the people with remain also an option.
People are wrongly reporting or interpreting for their own ends .
What labour aren’t clear about as yet and you can imagine why is whether they would Campaign in the people’s vote for leave or remain.

 

Thank goodness its just a minor point they aren't very clear about.

 

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