No deal won’t be allowed to happen

I'm not making any assumptions about your personal feelings. It's you that keeps bringing stuff like your kids into it.

Anyway, no, I don't think my thoughts go any deeper.

All boils down to the democratic choice we were given, which we made, and which demands to be obeyed.

S'abart it.

 

Bless ya heart M F, if you do manage to get out dont forget your reigns and sponge helmet, you'll be fine champ

 

??? It’s ‘reins’, but nobody still knows what the f.u.ck you’re on. All I’m suggesting is that as a proponent of no-deal, you get to own it. Ideally, all the fallout would only effect those who wished for it. Likewise, if it all turns out to be milk & honey, you’d get that too. I wouldn’t expect to get a unicorn or access to the magic money tree having talked no-deal down. That wouldn’t be fair. So you crack on, yeah? May you reap all you sow.

 

you are the first one i've heard bud,whether that be at work,on forums or on political programmes

 

Can any of you leave voters tell me what you would personally gain out of leaving the E.U. we know what your leaders got and will get Boris Johnson all he wanted was to be Prime Minister and the only way to get that was to jump on the leave bandwagon and spout lie after lie remember he wrote 2 letters one to leave and one to remain and he does not care one hoot if we are in or out he's got what he wanted. Farage just to be near to Trump get a foothold in America and be smothered in Aron Banks's money or was it Rushan money the jury's still out on that one, but this Domenic Commings the bloke that run the leave campaign of lies and corruption refused to attend a House of Commons all-party questions on his roll-on Brexit I think he could be arrested by the Sargent of Arms if he entered the house of commons, now he pulls the Baffoons strings, he's his chief advisor you just could not make it up, but it baffles me what he gets out of a no-deal Brexit what he advocates this bloke owns a farm and last year he got £230,000 in grants from the E.U.. so he must be on a hell of wage to cover that wonder if he's sponsored by one of these orange coloured yanks.

 

??? It's 'affect'.

 

You, sir, have the patience of a saint.

 

Grate.

 

We voted to leave the eu so that’s what we should do NEVER MIND who voted what the government called for a referendum for the country to decide
Country voted to leave so that’s what we should
On the ballot paper I can’t recall this deal that deal or any deal democracy tells us to leave and that’s what should happen or it’s pointless ever voting again

 

Well, (for the 23rd time) the ballot paper specified leave or remain. That's all. The manner of leaving was left to Parliament to decide. So far they have not agreed on the manner of leaving. So that's it, really. It didn't specify your type of Brexit (no deal, presumably?) or my type of Brexit (retain the closest possible links, or preferably, don't leave at all). It said leave or remain, and left the maner of leaving to the MP's. We should not leave at all until they are agreed. That's parliamentary democracy.

 

I can't think of anything that I would personally gain from leaving the EU, in any financial or material terms.
My belief is that Democracy and the ability to change decision makers should be brought as close to the people as reasonably possible. The EU takes that further away from the nation state and intends to take further control in the future....as they say " more Europe"
I do not believe the EU would ever make a decision in purely British interests, or the interests of any single nation for that matter, as the intent is undoubtedly for the EU in time to be the de facto "nation state" . The most ardent advocates for the EU as a project do not deny that. Not that I think there is necessarily anything wrong in that, if that's what the people of those countries desire, but I prefer us to be self governing with our politicians making decisions only on our behalf and accountable to us.

 

One things for sure we cant negotiate as one nation entity .
We can’t even negotiate leaving the EU without the right and its puppy Sun/Mail calling the EU and blaming them .
They saying we can negotiate our own trade deals ffs the making a mess now and we havnt even left .
The EU and US and other large countries as China and India will make mincemeat of this lot in Parliament . Happy fekin Days.

 

and they should have come to an agreement prior to invoking article 50

 

With no deal at all the UK will be exposed and vulnerable to vulture capitalism with deals being offered by countries that insist on the UK removing barriers to entry such as environmental and workers rights. Anyone thinking the US government under Trump has the UK peoples best interests at heart when striking a deal will get a short, sharp dose of reality pretty soon.

Leaving along the lines of Norway was a good, workable compromise to the referendum, but the truth is both the dogmatic leave and remain supporters and MP's have dragged us to the edge of the abyss. Who will blink first?

Edit: the whole issue should have been handled by a cross party government, not by Tories. Those traditional Labour supporters whose views on Leaving were correct, but for all the wrong reasons, need to have a word with themselves. They're currently enabling Johnson to lurch the Tory party further to the right, and it will be them who ultimately suffer when they get to see the fruits of their 'democratic vote to leave'.

 

This is the EU 'myth' about sovereignty.

Our laws are ours - the EU has no interest in how we deal with knife crime, drink driving or even benefit rules for foreigners (bizarre eh).

The EU 'laws' are about level playing fields throughout the EU and having a massive influence on the rest of the world (like we used to have as an empire).

Without that membership we are diminished as a nation - course we'll survive - but if we're to trade with the EU our goods will have to adhere to their laws anyway, just as with other countries.

The idea that we can exist as an island nation in 2020 like we did in 1950 is ridiculous. Our diet, way of life and need for international trade would be unrecognisable to my grandparents. We're not rolling back a clock we're launching ourselves into a future we are not prepared for.

I'll say it again - anyone who believes that our government can negotiate a successful outcome with the US or China having watched us perform with the EU is absolutely deluded. We've spent 3 years failing to negotiate with our closest allies - setting off from the exact same start point with a mutual need to succeed. How will we fare against people with completely different start points who see us as a tiny market.

 

"Former US treasury secretary Larry Summers has claimed UK no longer has any leverage in international trade negotiations and should expect the United States to push its “hardest bargain” in talks about a post-Brexit trade agreement.

The economist, who served in president Barack Obama’s administration, called the UK “desperate” and warned it should not expect favourable treatment with the US, despite President Trump’s warm words about a future agreement.

His comments come as new Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab visits North America for talks in Toronto, Washington DC, and Mexico City, amid fears the UK will leave the EU without any agreement on trade on the 31 October.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Mr Summers said: “I’m not sure what Britain wants from the United States that it can plausibly imagine the United States will give.

“If Britain thinks that the American financial regulators who have great difficulty coming together on anything are going to come together to give greater permissions and less regulation of UK firms, I would call that belief close to delusional.”

He added: “Look at it from America’s point of view: Britain has much less to give than Europe as a whole did, therefore less reason for the United States to make concessions. You make more concessions dealing with a wealthy man than you do dealing with a poor man.

“Second, Britain has no leverage. Britain is desperate. Britain has nothing else. It needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that’s when you strike the hardest bargain. The last thing you do is quit a job before you look for your new one.

“In the same way, establishing absolutely that, as a matter of sacred principle, your leaving Europe has to be the worst way to give you leverage with any new potential partners.”

He said it is “close to inconceivable” that the UK would be able to increase its trade with the US enough to make up for lost trade with the EU."

 

I’m deluded.

 

Given that Congress has already stated that it will veto any deal which jeopardizes the GFA, and given that we look about ready to enter into an acrimonious dispute with China over Hong Kong, I'd like to know why you think we can strike deals.

 

I genuinely do hope your optimism is well placed.
Can you give me some clues as to why I should share in it?

If we repeat our performance against Wednesday when we play Leeds we will achieve the same result, I'd love to believe that's not true - but whilst I'm an optimist - I also judge the world on evidence.

 

A US colony in the making. Or as Orwell called it: Airstrip 1.