Corbyn and a 'No Confidence' motion

https://www.ft.com/content/1ce27838-d370-11e7-8c9a-d9c0a5c8d5c9

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-under-no-deal-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-b...it-uk-northern-ireland-minister-idUKKCN1NO18I

 

Do you mean the democratically elected Dominic Cummins??? Oh no! !! Just thought on. He’s just like the unelected Euro civil servants we can’t wait to be shut of,,,must be different rules for us then. Phew, thought we were being hypocritical for a moment!!

 

You are aware we have our own civil servants? ..... thought so.....

 

The simple fact is that you can put up with it if it's politically pragmatic..The Irish can and will come and go as they please...as they've always done....I'm unsure if you'll get millions travelling to the ROI to go North in order to reach the mainland, but if it becomes a problem respond to it then, the UK Border force can operate anywhere in the UK, so people could be checked when leaving Belfast or in transit, or when entering Liverpool/ Stranraer etc....they can do that now if they wish to so it's not a change of status for NI.
The open border has been a headache from a Customs point of view for years...people driving live animals from one side to the other and back to claim the various subsidies available...alcohol...fuel etc scams around the difference in VAT rates, although the large scale criminal activities get addressed the individual minor breaches are completely ignored and there seems no reason for that approach not to continue.

 

So, in effect, you don't want to control the border effectively. I'm not sure Nigel's faithful followers will accept that but fair enough.
So long as we're clear that the problem of the border is entirely of the UK's making and stop trying to shift the blame onto Ireland as a cover for Boris' lies.

 

That’s whatCummins is basically, appointed by Johnson. The much derided European Commission is basically the Eu civil service. Civil servants are appointed not elected, so when you hear politicians refer to the “unelected “ positions in the EU, they’re being disingenuous. (Lying)
Some people fall for the lies, some don’t and some don’t know what day it. Thus HERE WE ARE TODAY

 

I agree that the most hard line ERG types might not agree, but the rest of us I'm sure want to see it resolved in a friendly and amicable way...if that involves a degree of pragmatic fudging then so be it.

However sections of the non aligned Irish press have said that Varadkar has deliberately raised the profile of an issue (that Enda Kenny was more relaxed about) for political gain, and that it is now backfiring on him.

 

An article from the Irish Press that suggests there may be blame to be shared...if it was the Mail/Express etc I wouldn't quote it, but this is internal Irish commentary.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/news-opinion/lord-henry-mountcharles-column-taoiseach-13487244

 

No.
A civil servant is employed by the government - a political adviser is appointed by the party.

 

SB, I'm sick and tired of the brexit camp trying to shift the blame for all the chaos away from themselves and onto Ireland.
It's our mess. Own it.
Johnson said it would be no problem but has not the first clue how to sort it. His only line is to say we should be more positive.
We signed the GFA. It should be upheld or brexiteers should have the honesty to come out and say they're happy to break it.
Again...this has nothing to do with Varadkar. Take him out of the equation entirely and the problem still exists.
You can post as many links to articles about Ireland you like. They're not relevant to the problem.

 

P.s. I'm sorry for venting at you in particular but I'm fed up to the back teeth of Johnson etc trying to wriggle out of the blame for their own mess by blaming Ireland.

 

Lets forget the word blame - be grown up and use the word responsibility.
We simply cant be separate and have an open border. That's just a lie posed by the Leave campaign because they don't have a solution to a very real problem.

Anyone that believes Boris is anything other than bull sh1tting when he says we have no plans to have a hard border is literally an idiot. We can't function without border checks - whether that's goods or people. Now we could move the checks to somewhere convenient but we can't impose import duty or VAT wthout a record of what's crossing the border - and we can't stop people moving without border controls. To spend 10 years talking about 'taking back control' and 'controlling immigration' and then smirking and shrugging it off when asked about a hard border is childish.

Again - if you want control - start telling us how you plan to implement your rules; it's time the Brexiteers stopped crowing about 'winning' and started getting on with the job of managing the mess that win has put us in. But instead all we hear is the same thing we did before the vote - blame someone else for all our problems. Instead of immigrants and EU bureaucrats it's now remoaners and the EU.

 

That seems perfectly reasonable to me. It’s beyond stupid to say we want to be in control of our borders and then say we are happy to have an open border. Anyone putting forward that as a ‘solution’ is either a liar or just daft.

 

He's a liar who believes that we are daft.

 

He even tells porkie pies about pork pies

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...elton-mowbray-pork-pie-claim-fails-truth-test

 

Sounds suspiciously like a border across the Irish Sea to me. Good luck selling border forces at Stranraer and Liverpool to the DUP.

 

Whilst I agree that Brexit is in no way the fault of Ireland, Irish voices were suggesting Leo Varadkar's move away from Enda Kenny's position was flawed and could lead to no agreement...which was Varadkar's nightmare scenario...events may well have proved them to be correct. These independent authors have also suggested that to deviate from the Varadkar narrative that is backed at every turn by RTE is considered by many to be almost heresy. I can't comment on that, other than to say these journalists predictions are proving to be accurate, perhaps we shouldn't write their opinions off too lightly.

Brexit doesn't break the GFA...unless you can point out exactly where it does?

The article from Newt Emerson is clear that it doesn't break the GFA....I'm not sure that Varadkar or Coveney have specifically alleged that it does....they talk about obligations and honouring...I can't say I've heard them be specific.

Northern Irish journalist Michael Hugh Walker wrote in The Independent which is hardly a Brexit friendly publication.

"But before I get into which option may be worse, a quick note on the Good Friday Agreement (GFA). Incessantly throughout the Brexit border debate, there have been accusations that a hard border would break this agreement. It is the one thing people point to when making the stupendously stupid accusation that NI peace will vanish with the imposition of any hard border, an idea borne out of gross misunderstanding or simply to pulsate reader interest or to meet their own selfish political ends.

In what ways could the GFA be broken by a hard border? Helpfully, a House of Lords Committee dealt with this exact question. Firstly, its report says that the peace process enjoys virtually complete support “of people from across the communities, and it would be irresponsible to overstate the threat posed by Brexit”. It then notes that while nothing in Brexit will breach the treaty’s actual provisions, it rightly states that common EU membership has meant the NI-ROI “border diminished both visibly and psychologically… The loss of EU membership thus threatens to undermine [the nationalist] sense of identity”.

The BBC examined the issue...

BBC News - Brexit: Does the Irish peace accord rule out a hard border?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46988529

 

No worries Churt....it's a reasonable debate...I don't take it personally!!

 

They can operate at both places already, or anywhere else in the UK including South Yorkshire.

 

Something I’ve not said on here before, is that I’ve actually gained about £60,000 pre tax, as a direct result of Brexit, due to my salary being negotiated in USD, but paid in GBP. In the event of a no deal, my effective salary will skyrocket.

Is it worth it?

Is it ****.