So the Sovereignty defending Brexiteers. want to prevent erm, Sovereignty..

Delusional

 

And there’s nowt up wi that at all in my opinion,

 

Please explain your opposition to a second referendum, without insults.

 

We’ll have another one after that if it dosent go your way again eh?

 

Not this again. Come on Boris get it done lad and lets all move on.

 

Just to note - we’re much further North than New York. If we’re dragged directly due East, it’s gonna get bloody cold.

 

They didn't vote for a 'deal' Brexit either....and no one has come up with what deal they are seeking, other than the one that has been rejected multiple times. It said Leave on the ballot paper, now that is pretty simple to understand in my view. There is an argument that the ongoing debate should be about the type of deal but Parliament triggered Article 50 to leave with or without one. An election was held where 80% of votes went to parties whose policy was to respect the referendum result. Parliament's responsibility is to deliver the will of the people and leave the EU, with or without a deal. There is no justification to consider remaining although there is the democratic option to rejoin in the future.
In 2016 I naively voted Remain as I was uninformed. I have learnt since then what the EU is about and what the plans are and also what the opportunities are for the UK outside.
I want us to take control of our laws, borders and money and to have the freedom to trade globally. We could become world leaders in some of the new technologies in a Digital age and investment in our Country could be greater than ever before, supported by an immigration policy around skilled labour where it is needed. I believe that is what Leave voters voted for. Anything other than leaving is a betrayal and undermines our democracy. Why would anyone ever vote again and why would the 'losing' side ever accept any result

 

I assume people would accept it if a vote on no deal happened and won. This has never happened hence why people can claim its anti democratic.

 

No animosity over here in Ireland though that might change as their economy takes an inevitable hit.
They do think we're utterly crazy though and the small minority who do wish us ill are no doubt revelling in our impending ills.

 

Because we voted 3 year ago. The political system has taken enough damage if we were to have another referendum the damage would be unrepairable.
Not only that but we cant continue to look like a third world country on the world stage. We voted leave why cant people just come to terms with it? Every year a large majority in Barnsley vote for labour for something that happened 30 year ago despite me thinking they are inept. I dont bang on about how hard done by I am though I get on with it because that what demorcracy is

 

Don't get me wrong, others in Ghent and Leuven were lovely and we travel lots, and Belgium being so close is a very regular haunt, which just made it a bit of a surprise to see that hostility for the first time. I kind of think the UK should never have joined in the first place. Not because it wasn't the right thing (personal perspective), but just seeing the mentality and cultures of so many European cities and their people, and comparing with large swathes of Britain. It feels so different. I'm not sure Britain understands the efforts to harmonise and be safe and align for security. I'm not sure we see the regional differences and protections there are in Europe. I mean is Leeds so different to Manchester?

People in the Uk seem much more Americanised than European. And I find that very sad.

Where in Netherlands you off to?

 

Shall we just spend the rest of our lives voting on things? We voted to leave the EU. Its then upto the government to decide how best to do this. We can’t vote on everything or we will get nowhere.

 

Fear of losing it?

 

I'll ask you one question.

Did the leave campaign promise that we would leave with a good deal from the EU?

 

Is up to mps to work it out that's right. There's been an election and that resulted in more mps that support remain. They've today been told they cannot decide what happens as one person ie the pm didn't like what they have to say.

The only way to have avoided this would have been to put legislation into the referendum bill about what happened next. David Cameron neglected to do this and made the referendum an 'advisory vote' that was where the mess started and David Cameron bears to blame for that.

However due to those early errors that is why we are in this mess. If one pm can Override parliament like this it's not about brexit it's about the precedent that sets. As someone of the right that should worry you as what happens if a communist led the Labour party, won an election, then used this tactic? We're getting into dangerous territory

 

We go to Groningen, usually for moto gp at Assen but this year for British Superbikes. Stayed in Bruges a couple of times and Bastogne but can’t say we were well received in either. Stayed in Germany loads and always found Germans very friendly. The area around the Nurburgring is lovely.

 

Is that true though or have both sides and experts just continue to peddle their own personal influence for maximum personal gain?

 

Why do we bother with general elections then if we voted 4 years ago - why can't people just come to terms with the result?

I don't see that it would cause irreparable damage. You'd think that everyone would agree that when dealing with issues of this magnitude it's better to make an informed decision than an uninformed decision. So let's put it back to the people, a binding referendum with 2 questions.

Question 1 - do you wish to remain or leave?

Question 2 - if we were to leave, would you prefer it to be on the terms of the proposed deal, or with no deal?

Everyone knows exactly what they are voting for this time, I don't see how there can be any arguments. It boggles my mind that people are so determined to uphold the first result rather than letting people make a further decision now that so much more is known. It's absolutely barmy.

 

Immaterial.....although I am not stupid to listen to what is promised during campaigns and the Remain one was heavily centred on remain but reform, so votes were won for various reasons and there is an argument that the Remain side was centred on false claims also
There was a vote and a clear and decisive result. It is the government's responsibility to deliver on the outcome - it doesn't matter what my personal view is on the subject. The argument about Remain should have closed in 2016. The future argument can be about rejoining the EU but we need to LEAVE