So the Sovereignty defending Brexiteers. want to prevent erm, Sovereignty..

Why the rush? And let's be fair. The conservative party wasted time on a GE and a leadership contest in the meantime for their own attempted benefit.

I don't understand why time and care shouldn't be taken to find the right outcome to the single biggest issue affecting this country since the war. I disagree with Brexit for so many reasons. But going out in the most damaging way, that everyone seemingly agrees will take years/decades to recover from, pro Brexit people included... why is their such a rush to start that phase?

 

If I owned a business id love these immigrants as well I can pay them next nothing and gain a lot.

I dont own a business though and the only image I get of immigration is gangs of eastern europeans hanging around in the town centre in midday drinking Giving nothing to society.

 

What you voted is irrelevant.
The non binding referendum was voted on by 27% of the population. A small majority was won by leave based, partly on outrageous lies by Boris etc.
Now you want to proceed with something Boris said would never happen without a second thought.

 

Think you’ll find most of those have Barnsley accents .
Not surprising you have that image and cant see further than your nose though .

 

Stayed in Bruges after seeing the film, pretty enough but wouldnt go back, Bastogne was pretty tourist free with some really good WW2 museums if thats your thing. Cant say we got service with a smile wherever we went though, came away from a few trips to Belgium thinking they’re a miserable bunch, maybe it was just us, dunno.

 

So you base your whole decision making process on wandering round Barnsley town centre.
Still, no need for experts.

 

Genuine question. And leaving aside the controls we have and the positive contribution migrants have shown to have...

Upon leaving. And say we stop incoming migration from Europe. How would you feel with net migration continuing into the UK from the rest of the world of 200,000 to 300,000ish? So 200,000+ Chinese, Indian, African, Asian people coming to reside in your country to fulfil jobs and deliver services (provided jobs are still prevalent) instead of Europeans?

What would your view be then?

 

Den Haag is great as is Leiden

 

And how many folk on zero hours contracts were there before such a proliferation of eastern european workers ??? There are none so blind Marlon.

 

Your so scared of the damage

What about just have an Australian points based system?

 

What a horrible post.
Btw the last time I was in Barnsley there certainly was plenty individuals hanging around drinking and obviously giving nothing to society. Also others in a zombie like state due to drugs. Again giving nothing to society. The common denominator between both sets of low life was they were all English. So I'm afraid I do not accept your image of all those you see.
Your post screams of racial hatred.

 

At least you are honest enough to admit immigration was the reason you voted the way you did. Many more should stop hiding.

I now know why you couldn’t care less about trade, medicine, intelligence and the like.

As long as them foreigners aren’t coming over here eh.

 

Most migration is not from the EU. Most migration have never been from the EU. Most migration in future *WILL NOT BE FROM THE EU*. It has always been within the power of the UK government to limit the majority of migration. In fact, our current home secretary told South Asian communities that a vote for Brexit will result in more immigration from South Asia.

Unfortunately, the UK needs immigrants. The aging population hasn't bred as previous generations did (thanks to the pill and improved contraception) and there are not enough young native Brits to continue paying the pensions and other benefits for those about to become pensioners over the next 20 years. You can either pay less pension (political suicide), bring in more workers (political suicide) or make Logan's Run a reality.

And, as for people changing their mind - have a look @RemainerNow on twitter. Lots of people who have changed their minds since the referendum.

 

All I can say is that anyone voting leave because they wanted to reduce immigration is well and truly bonkers. Economics drives immigration. Fewer European immigrants just means more from the rest of the world. It’s one of the simpler things to understand about us leaving the EU.

 

I think it depends where you go, and obviously, one place, one experience isn't going to be an accurate snapshot of that place and population in its entirety.

There can be schlepp and brusqueness, but I quite like that to be honest, get that in Brussels in some of the more traditional places. Though in many places in Ghent we were asked if we were enjoying our weekend and other niceties that felt genuine rather than the Americanised faux service greetings. Bastogne could be quite interesting, maybe its just me, but anything ww2 related just emphasizes how far Europe has come overcoming evil (and dare I say it, populism.)

I wouldn't give up on Belgium though, some truly stunning towns and cities and lots of interesting stuff to see with water, cafes and bars galore

 

My view would be that with stricter immigration controls the numbers would be limited to those who can prove they’re here to contribute rather than to claim benefits, free healthcare, free education, a better life at the expense of the rest of us. Been happening fir years, we’re a laughing stock because of it too.

 

Your correct there is also a majority of undesirables who are English.

It was only a matter of time before the racist card came out wasen’t it.

People all over the country are so scared of saying they voted leave because they are scared of being branded racist and youve just backed that up.

If you dare give your thoughts on immigration you must be a racist. Dont even know why i even bother debating...

 

The racists failed to understand that however.

 

*If* we leave in October, then the campaign starts to rejoin. You haven't got 40 years this time. The Leave government has to make it a success *before the next general election*. That means people don't die, that means jobs aren't lost and that means that trade deals need to be in place. And if Leave parties win that election, then they have until the *next* General Election... and the next... Until we rejoin in 5, 10 or 20 years on worse terms than now.

Demographics is now, and will be against it and the book will be unlikely to close for our lifetimes.

 

I will try again. I didn't take much notice of what was being said at the time and naively voted Remain. Now, based on what I know, I would vote Leave. I do not accept your argument that the result/outcome was based on lies..blinking heck we would be challenging every election result. The reasons why people voted to Leave still exist. For some reason the Remain argument has been allowed to resurface. Whatever your views are about the premise, the actual referendum itself, a democratic result was delivered and it MUST be respected. Even if you wish to dispute the legitimacy of the referendum, we had a subsequent General Election, Parliament triggered Article 50 to leave with or without a deal. We need to get on and make a success of it.