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Only 85% cotton though..

 

I'm not a bot then? That's a relief. I was beginning to wonder whether George Soros might have got hold of my email password or something.

 

Right, ok.

 

No it’s Arron Banks who has that, but that’s allowed too. So sez the peoples.

 

Is that the Arron Banks who donated 8 million he didn't personally have to the Brexit campaign? Do you think he's got a bit spare to lend me?

 

Can't these petitions be set up anyone and most ignored anyway?

 

Nooo he didn’t do that, of course he didn’t, or breach data protection laws or electoral laws... I mean he did... but noooo he was just misunderstood, the will of the people understands.

 

Thanks
Remember examples in the media are only views depending on political leanings.
I wouldn’t be influenced by Daily Mail for example nor the Guardian .

Democracy,sovereignty,is not diminished by anything we are debating here .
Our PM is in office by due process in accordance with long standing procedure irrespective of political party .

My view would be the same if J Corbyn was the PM

Thank God We are not Presidential ! as indeed is the Labour parties dream.
Our system as always given power to the PM to dissolve parliament at anytime .
After 3 years of scrutiny ,what is new to scrutinize ,in the cancelled 4days sitting time beforeThe Queens Speech which is long over due . The country needs to get on and address other things other than Brexit, don’t you agree ?

I didn’t vote to leave but have accepted I was on the losing side and democracy demands that we LEAVE . If we don’t set a date and leave what is going to happen ?

Long as we fulfill the referendum result and Leave ,I don’t mind if the people want another referendum to go back in at some future date on terms to be agreed .
That seems to me to be Democracy ,Don’t you agree .

Alas it seems to me that Boris is the best chance we have of getting this sorted and let the Country get on with the future , which for me is not a long time . Cheers !

 

I'm reading a lot about this Will Ofthepeople. Not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything but he seems to be the most powerful man in the county.

Can anyone enlighten me as to who he is?

 

Correct.

 

I read neither guardian or the daily hatred, I pool it from all sources and make my own mind up through as much a mixture of common sense and fairness as I can muster.

If you don’t covet presidentialism, I’m not sure that squares with an individual denying parliament.

I disagree with this 3 year concept too. A50 was only triggered in feb 2017. Chequers was just presented in July 2018. The final commons vote was late March 2019.

You might recall May trying to deny, evade and amend anything that scrutinised or debated her deal. We had a GE, a leadership contest and now a proroguing (many expected attempts to reduce or eliminate conference season for more sitting time so in effect a 4-5 week nullifying of parliament).

Since the new PM came in, we had half a day before summer recess.

And with proroguing and bringing forward of the chancellors spending reviews, debating time is just a few days.

So the concept parliament has had time to know what Johnson was doing and time for debate really isn’t true. We still haven’t detail of Johnson’s stance, just hearsay and contradiction.

I don’t think we should leave, nowhere in anything I’ve seen as part of the referendum said an unelected racist PM would bully no deal through without consent.

My personal view is come up with a serious plan with collaboration and get it through the commons or kick it back to the people.

I’m embarrassed at how we’ve handled this and none of it is to do with courts, the EU or MPs subverting democracy.

It’s how governments are refusing scrutiny and to decide on the best route forward in the circumstances that will best serve and protect the people.

No deal will break this country. Not leaving will break this country. The answer is something else, but the tories are putting their party first instead of trying to find a genuine solution

 

There is a major flaw in that comment PP Pepper. Teresa May was leader of the Tory party and incumbent of Number 10 at the last General Election. Johnson was 'crowned' PM by 92153 members of the Tory party. We currently have an electorate of 48.6 million. Please tell me how you square that circle of democracy with your statement "Our PM is in office by due process in accordance with long standing procedure irrespective of political party".

 

Why do most on here (who are mostly reasonable and knowledgeable when it comes to other subjects) turn into big d*ckheads when it comes to Brexit?

And yes i'm aiming that at both sides of the coin.

 

The rush to be proved right?

 

Of course Obviously the pro remain movement are the ones in charge here.

We really don’t need to ask whether paranoia and the fear of the ‘other’ has driven the Leave camp. Just look at any online debate for long enough and it’s right there.

The BBC ‘bias’ that gave Farage a platform to grow a movement from a couple of thousand Thrush’s to a national majority. A PM that’s happy to close down democracy to push through something that no one voted for.

But let’s ignore all that... the remain camp are breaking rules again FFS!!

 

I was replying to DannyWilson who was trying to reason with Tekkytyke.
I think it was a valid heads up in case he wasn’t aware.

 

Sorry but couldn’t get the gist of your rant . You are clearly angry with life and that clouds reason . Perhaps we should park the subject . Enjoyed it though !
Rule Britannia
God Save Our Queen

 

Was that to me? Strange, thought it was particularly detailed and lucid.

No anger with life at all and my reasoning is clear and consistent. Strange for you to come to such a conclusion with no evidence at all, but such is your prerogative to make judgements if that’s how you tick, and if you choose not to counter the very clear reasoned points I made.

What the country may be after 31st October is likely to be harder for 99% of the country. But I’ll be more than fine amid the protectionism, which is selfish of course, but it’s how it is.

 

Notes to self, calm reasoned logical thinking expressed in detail is a rant

Democracy is less democratic if you have more democracy.

Sovereignty is the real reason for brexit, as long as that sovereignty can be overridden by a dictator.

We won’t be told what to do by Europeans, US influence is fine, as long as they are populist.

Think that covers it for now.